Parking Ticket

[matt]

So I got back from a little ski trip and came home to a parking ticket on my truck.

I am in Ft Collins and my apartment complex has still only plowed out less than half the parking spots and quite a few spots are taken up by huge piles of snow. This limits the parking spots so I was parked in a handicapped spot.

Long story short some pig came cruising through my apartment complex and left me a nice $100 parking ticket. I am going to try and rip the apartment manager a new asshole to try to get $100 off rent to pay for ticket since their plowing has been shitty.

Does the cop have jurisdiction to write this ticket in the first place? This is a private parking lot (not plowed by city), can I go to dispute in court and tell them to fuck off?

[AstroPax]

Does the cop have jurisdiction to write this ticket in the first place? This is a private parking lot (not plowed by city), can I go to dispute in court and tell them to fuck off?

yeah, I dare you to tell a judge to "fuck off".

Not to sound like an asshole, but you are obviously a fucking dumbass!

Go park in any other handicapped stall...in any other "PRIVATE" parking lot such as WalMart, Target, Costco, local mall, etc., etc., etc.,, and see how long it takes to earn a tic, should the owner of the property decide to call the cops.

Using your twisted "private property" logic, committing a murder, driving DUI, or trespassing on private property would NOT be illegal...because...it was committed on private property...and the cops may or may not have jurisdiction on "private property".

Cops have jurisdiction everywhere within their jurisdiction, period.



-Astro

[Tippster]

"How do you plead, Mr. Matt?"

"errr.... 'Fuck Off,' your Honor..."

[mavrick]

Cops have jurisdiction everywhere within their jurisdiction, period.

But there jurisdiction isnt endless... that is why they need to get warrants to even step foot in certain places...

the cops can give tickets in handicap spots at all of those other lots you mentioned because those companies (or the owners of the lot) give the police permission .. you can park where ever the hell you want to on private land assuming it does not break any village codes .. (ie you cant park a car on the grass in some cities.. but then you face the village fines, not the police tickets).. So if the apt complex gave the police dept the authority to monitor the lot then they can ticket... just because there is a handicap sign does not mean the police have the authority to patrol that spot..

[pappag]

Make sure the ticket was filled out in its entirety. 99% of the tickets I get here in NY are dismissed because the issuing office forgot to include the vehicle's expiration date. In the instance where this information is omitted, the ticket is deemed invalid. Check local and state law.

[rideit]

Cops have jurisdiction everywhere within their jurisdiction, period.



-Astro

That is simply and plainly not true, technically. They may have jurisdiction over an area, but private property trumps that 'jurisdiction', within that area.

[AstroPax]

That is simply and plainly not true, technically. They may have jurisdiction over an area, but private property trumps that 'jurisdiction', within that area.

What?

If a crime is committed within an LE agency's jurisdiction (local, state, or federal), regardless of property ownership, whatever LE agency has has jurisdiction within that property boundary can enforce the law.

Maybe I'm missing your point. Please explain.

-Astro

[AstroPax]

But there jurisdiction isnt endless... that is why they need to get warrants to even step foot in certain places...

Please, don't confuse "jurisdiction" with "reasonable/probable cause".

-Astro

[rideit]

Well, just because someone paints a 'handicap' spot on a private parking spot does not automatically make it a violation that is enforceable by the local constabulary. That is an arbitrary designation, unless there has been a codfied agreement between the landowner, and the local police who are authorized to ticket/tow.
Same as Driving under the influence...if I own a three-thousand acre ranch, and drive at whatever alcohol level, that does not give the local police the authority to ticket and/or apprehend invited guests onto this property to drive as drunk as they would like...it is a private property issue, and the local constabulary cannot intervene. That would be for the courts to decide if something went awry.
There are many instances where actions that would be criminal in the public domain are not on private property, such as shooting guns, explosives, sexual acts, serious intoxication, etc, are completely legal on private property.

The point is that cops have boundries they cannot cross as well, if the 'general' public is not at risk.

Hence private racing courses, where people are free to drive 200 miles an hour. Simple.

[AstroPax]

Well, just because someone paints a 'handicap' spot on a private parking spot does not automatically make it a violation that is enforceable by the local constabulary. That is an arbitrary designation, unless there has been a codfied agreement between the landowner, and the local police who are authorized to ticket/tow.
Same as Driving under the influence...if I own a three-thousand acre ranch, and drive at whatever alcohol level, that does not give the local police the authority to ticket and/or apprehend invited guests onto this property to drive as drunk as they would like...it is a private property issue, and the local constabulary cannot intervene. That would be for the courts to decide if something went awry.
There are many instances where actions that would be criminal in the public domain are not on private property, such as shooting guns, explosives, sexual acts, serious intoxication, etc, are completely legal on private property.

The point is that cops have boundries they cannot cross as well, if the 'general' public is not at risk.

Hence private racing courses, where people are free to drive 200 miles an hour. Simple.

OK, like I said in my original post on this, if the property owner called the cops and "COMPLAINED", the violation can be enforced by the local cops if it is within thier jurisdiction.

Clue time. You can be arrested for DUI, regardless of location, private or public.

Just because you are operating a motor vehicle on 3000 acre private ranch doesn't mean you can't be arrested for DUI. You can be arrested for DUI, regardless of location, public or private...and it doesn't matter how the arrest was affected (provided it was a legal arrest)...if you are operating a motor vehicle while under the influence. I don't give a shit if you are on a 100,000 square acre private ranch out in the middle of Bumb-Fucked-Egypt, it's still illegal to drive your pick-em-up truck around that ranch if you are blitzed.

Sure, the cops can't patrol the ranch, but it's still illegal to drive while drunk, regardless of location. BTW, don't confuse DUI with implied consent.

Same goes for murder. Just because you murder someone on a 50 gazillion acre private rance doesn't mean it's not a criminal offense...or that you can't be arrested because it occurred on private property.

Yes, there are many things that are not permitted within the public domain that are permitted on private property...firecrackers/guns, etc....but that's irrelevant to my point, which was, if a CRIME is committed within an LEO's jurisdiction, then that LEO has authority to enforce the law, period.

If no crime (or infraction) is committed, that's fine, no crime was committed...NO SHIT!

You are confusing "what is a crime" VS "enforcement domain/span of enforcement".

Like the private race track, speed laws only apply to public highways...not private tracks. That's true. So speeding on a private track is not a crime because it was never against the law in the first place.

My point is this; It doesn't matter where a CRIME is committed. However, IF a CRIME is committed, the LE agency with jurisdiction can enforce the criminal code...ANYWHERE within their jurisdiction where the crime is committed. Period. That's why, when an LEO responds to a call, one of the first questions that comes to mind is..."has a crime been committed".

-Astro

[cramer]

$100 parking ticket

100 bucks for parking?

Carry on...

[rideit]

This is a stretch...as as matter of fact, private research, involving local law enforcement agents, drunk themselves, have participated in trials/tests to determine alcohol reaction times, and the applicability of current field testing in regards to those laws.

It is not that simple and clear cut, as you know well, Astro.
Laws are 'bendable' according to situation, and to not acknowledge that fact would be obsequious. The fact is that a local cop, attempting to arrest a driver on private property, if there were no witness of said driver entering or leaving the property, would stand no chance of enditement in court...no Judge would waste his political clout for such a silly charge, unless there was far more to the story.
Are you an advocate of NO personal property rights, (fascism) or what exactly is your take on private property rights?

(devil's advocate horns emerging...)

[AstroPax]

Same as Driving under the influence...if I own a three-thousand acre ranch, and drive at whatever alcohol level, that does not give the local police the authority to ticket and/or apprehend invited guests onto this property to drive as drunk as they would like...it is a private property issue, and the local constabulary cannot intervene.

OK, let me explain this concept in terms that you might better understand.

Owner (COMPLAINANT) of a 100,000 acre Uinta Basin Utah ranch calls local sheriff's office and complains that SUSPECT has been poaching fresh powder on his private property (private property which just happens to contain primo steeps and deeps terrain...blower snow).

Deputy Sheriff responds and makes contact with COMPLAINANT.

While taking report from COMPLAINANT, deputy sheriff observes an individual later identified as SUSPECT attempting to have sexual intercourse with female SHEEP belonging to COMPLAINANT. Deputy also observes SUSPECT chugging a 5th of Wild Turkey while attempting to copulate with the SHEEP.

COMPLAINANT states "Oh, that's OK, it's just "rideit"...he does that all the time. I don't care...I invited him here. He's from Idahole...the Gem State!".

Deputy then observes SUSPECT attempting to chase the fleeing SHEEP...the SUSPECT operating a motor vehicle in the process...driving erratically...out of control...driving in circles, etc.

Deputy makes contact with SUSPECT.

SUSPECT positively identified as "rideit".

SUSPECT performs poorly on a Field Sobriety Test (FST), and is subsequently arrested for DUI.

SUSPECT blows a .40 BAC on the intoxylizer.

SUSPECT legally busted for DUI because DUI is illegal, regardless of location...even if it is a 100,000 acre ranch, and the ranch owner never complained about the DUI in the first place.

-Astro

[AstroPax]

The fact is that a local cop, attempting to arrest a driver on private property, if there were no witness of said driver entering or leaving the property, would stand no chance of enditement in court...no Judge would waste his political clout for such a silly charge, unless there was far more to the story.

Sure dude, whatever you say.

Go get nice and ripped, pass-out in the <private property> Albertson's Grocery Store parking lot (or your driveway) while laying in the drivers seat of your motor vehicle with the keys in the ignition and the engine running, and tell me you can't be busted and successfully prosecuted for DUI under such circumstances.

Good luck.

-Astro

[nexus]

i'm sure that "kilo, the crusader of all that is just" will sue them for you

[tijuana bass]

no matter what the circumstances are, if you aren't handicapped and park in a handicapped space, you're an asshole. "i was only going to be there a minute," "i just had to run in to pick up my paycheck," "there weren't any other spaces available," and "my apartment complex has done a shitty job of plowing" are all bullshit excuses for selfishly and illegally valuing your own momentary convenience over that of the physically disabled. you think you are inconvenienced by the parking situation? ever stop to think about the guy using a walker, or a wheelchair, or who has a bad heart? you left your truck parked in a handicapped spot while you left on a ski trip?!?? it's too bad you couldn't have been sentenced to an ass whipping, you fucking self-centered dick.

[haydukelives]

also, in utah i witnessed an arrest of a woman for PUBLIC drunkeness in her own home !

[mavrick]

fuck that... most of the "cripples" that have handicap stickers dont even deserve them... I regularly see (or hear about when around grandparents) old (even younger people sometimes) people using handicap spots jump out of there car like they are 20 years old and proceed to walk into the store. Docs give out handicap stickers to old bags for no reason there days (yes i kno this for a fact cuz my dumb ass great aunt has one -- as well as several of her friends -- because they complained to their doc.. poof, handicap sticker...

Weakness ... park where ever u want

[mavrick]

also, in utah i witnessed an arrest of a woman for PUBLIC drunkeness in her own home !

reminds me of the blue color TV sketch where he says he ways arrested for being drunk in public after being thrown out of a bar... he finished the joke..

" I dont want to be drunk in public, I want to be drunk in that BAR!! arrest those mother fuckers!!"

Might not be funny to those who dont kno what im talking about