Cutting in lift line/saving spots before first chair?

**shirk** · 01-05-2007, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Xover

can't speak for other resorts, but at Alta its pretty simple and it works .... if your the first person holding said chair whether it be #1 or #20, its YOUR chair and you can let whomever ride or not ride it as you see fit .... i'll admit is pretty "elementary" but everyone knows thats how it works and doesn't have a problem with it

about the dropping skis down in line then going in for an extended amount of time thing, if you don't have a buddy on YOUR chair holding it for you, expect your skis to be tossed and you get to start over at the back ..... phunk learned this the hard way a few years back on opening day

ha ha I watched you toss snorkledeeps skis out from beside yours one morning a couple years ago. I manged to get third chair that day, it did me no fucking good as I had no clue where the hell to go as it was only me second day every skiing Alta.

If there is a mob of people in line you should be able to let TWO at most join you. If it's a small group of early arrivals you can hold out for enough to fill out the chair.

Better debate is how do we stop those gumguzzling ass hat biatch ski schoolers from cutting the line. Those fuckers shouldn't even think of rolling up into the line after the mob develops and cutting.

**Split-It** · 01-05-2007, 09:18 PM

im always surprised at KT lineup how civilized everybody is. skis or boards laid down = spot saved. nobody every argues about that. then again, it's always the same faces who come at nearly the same time, be it 2 hours ahead of time for epic days in march or april last year, or half hour before opening.

but people get their coffee or dave's deli breakfast and socialize by their skis. it's always been something to look forward to on big pow mornings, seeing all your friends and coworkers lined up mingling. the problems come when the mountain opens and all hell breaks loose. and you cant expect the lifties to give a rat's ass being paid 7 bones an hour.

all part of the game, i guess. house rules always set the pace.

**powder11** · 01-05-2007, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by shirk

Better debate is how do we stop those gumguzzling ass hat biatch ski schoolers from cutting the line. Those fuckers shouldn't even think of rolling up into the line after the mob develops and cutting.

ski school instructor attempting to cut into the line up: "excuse me"

powderhound jockeying his position ahead of instructor: "what'yd fart?"

**snowsprite** · 01-05-2007, 09:35 PM

I do not understand people. You think they'd be happy...they are about to ski!

Sprite

**72Twenty** · 01-05-2007, 09:38 PM

I only cut in front of people wearing University of Nebraska Starter jackets.

**Blurred** · 01-05-2007, 09:38 PM

All I know is that it takes MAD BALLS (and a fullface helps) to trudge through thousands of beaters to get to your "reserved" spot at the front of a lift line at Vail.

**Rippeddisc** · 01-05-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by altagirl

If you get there second, you get second chair because Hardcore is saving the other 3 seats on his chair for his friends. And you can save the other seats on whatever your empty chair is for your friends.

hey....who decided this is ok? 3 years and this should not be acceptable. first on the line you get to be wherever. saying seats are saved for people that dont exist shouldnt be allowed. skis there or not.

plus who takes a warm-up on a powder day? geez.

oh yea, pow today was fun. now just need 100" more.

**Steepdeepnlong** · 01-05-2007, 11:01 PM

...And the significance of first chair is...what? Anyone?

Bragging rights? BFD - you're gonna ski no matter which chair you're on and if you're there that early, you're gonna get first tracks somewhere.

Are there people among us whose lives are so meaningless that they will fight, cheat, whatever in order to claim the self-importance of riding the first chair of the day? If so, then Darwin was way off with that evolution thing.

Besides, don't the patrollers always get first cahir?

**Blurred** · 01-05-2007, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Steepdeepnlong

...And the significance of first chair is...what? Anyone?

Bragging rights? BFD - you're gonna ski no matter which chair you're on and if you're there that early, you're gonna get first tracks somewhere.

Are there people among us whose lives are so meaningless that they will fight, cheat, whatever in order to claim the self-importance of riding the first chair of the day? If so, then Darwin was way off with that evolution thing.

Besides, don't the patrollers always get first cahir?

I think you're confusing the "significance" of first chair, and the importance of skiing untouched blower. Go ski Alta for a quick crash session.

**Rideski** · 01-05-2007, 11:16 PM

No doubt, first vs third, no big deal.

First vs 34th, is a big deal.

I've only seen a few places smart enough to open the corral prior to the rope dropping time. Seems they could alleviate a lot of stress by doing this everywhere. Once the corral is open, there is usually (depending on layout) no way for someone to cut.

Anyone who is, knows and or manages lifties? Get on it!

**RootSkier** · 01-05-2007, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Steepdeepnlong

...And the significance of first chair is...what? Anyone?

It doesn't make much difference if you are just going to ski groomers.

**The AD** · 01-05-2007, 11:21 PM

If I rolled up two minutes before the chair opened and proceeded to cut in line because my buddies were up front I'd feel like a complete tool.

I'd do it, but I'd feel like a tool

**shirk** · 01-05-2007, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Steepdeepnlong

...And the significance of first chair is...what? Anyone?

Bragging rights? BFD - you're gonna ski no matter which chair you're on and if you're there that early, you're gonna get first tracks somewhere.

First tracks down that chute that only holds snow for one skier.

First bomb hole off that rock with a one hit wonder landing zone.

First...

Hope you get the picture.

**iceman** · 01-05-2007, 11:35 PM

I'm all fine with skis holding places in line (not that I get up that early most of the time, but anyways...) but one pair of skis means one place held to me. Just because you put one pair of skis down means you think you own the quad? Get serious.

On a double I'd say it's a little different, you can put your skis down and wait for one buddy to show, that seems fair. But like a half hour before opening they lose their spot if they still haven't showed.

I know it's not logically consistent.

Ideally all chairs would be singles, we wouldn't have to debate this and we wouldn't have to talk to anyone.

**GapersGoHome** · 01-05-2007, 11:48 PM

I just wish people who get first chair would know what the hell they're doing. Nothing bums me out more than seeing a guy 20 chairs in front of me slide the entire run/chute out on his board edge, plowing a four-foot-wide bombhole for 1,500' vert.

Just because you get first chair, doesn't mean you've earned first chair.

**AntiSoCalSkier** · 01-05-2007, 11:49 PM

I'll admit it, I'll do just about anything for fresh tracks. A couple of years ago at Bear a bunch of instructors were skiing around on a powder morning. One of the chairs (Silver) was running, but not yet open. One of my buddies managed to convince the lifty that he was a supervisor (he wasn't) and should be allowed to take our group up the chair. We managed to get two laps in before it was open to the public. Everyone else was seriously annoyed, but I got two laps of pow with no competition.

**leroy jenkins** · 01-05-2007, 11:58 PM

Cutting in line is not fuckign acceptable. I'd say its almost an ass-kicking worthy offense. My way of dealing with it is just to ignore them when they say "excuse me". When they start getting annoyed, turn around and tell them to go to hell and shut thier mouth.

**Lloyd Christmas** · 01-06-2007, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by 72Twenty

I only cut in front of people wearing University of Nebraska Starter jackets.

unzipped. and with jeans.

**Steepdeepnlong** · 01-06-2007, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

I think you're confusing the "significance" of first chair, and the importance of skiing untouched blower. Go ski Alta for a quick crash session.

I've managed to ski untouched/untracked powder at Alta at 2:00 in the afternoon. Apparently, you don't know where to look.

**laseranimal** · 01-06-2007, 07:05 AM

The east sucks in general, but Whiteface sucks particularly for first chair/gondi. Its a 3-4 inch day, nothing great but for whiteface its nice, so I'm there and the first one in line, then douchebag lifty tells me to step outta line so that some season passholders behind me can get first tracks.

I haven't skied WF since, Fuckers

K-mart is much more organized until they actually drop the rope

**Arkin Banks** · 01-06-2007, 09:19 AM

At Squaw, KT, you will get your poles broke and your skis tossed if you try any such act.You get there early, two to three hours before the lift opens, and wait there with your skis. I have seen fights and gear get thrown out of line many times. Squaw is serious shit man.

**Arty50** · 01-06-2007, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by boarddad

Can any Kirkweed regulars explain to me why the first chair is always such a clusterfuck there? I've been twice now, both times I drove up the 88 solo from freaking East Bay and got there before "opening". I get that @ KW that usually means at least an hour before any butts actually touch the chairs - accepted. Those of us that line up for that hour all seem pretty mellow, pretty well tempered, dare I say even polite. In both cases the early risers have formed full chairs and lined up in an orderly manner, only to have the whole cue degenerate as soon as the lifties wave us forward. It's not the early risers that are doing it though, it's the secondary group of regulars that take advantage of KWood's inability to open lifts on time and crash the line 5 mins before the rope is dropped. In both cases I should have been no further back than 3'rd chair, in both cases I was lucky to load in the first 10 chairs and in neither case did I ride up with the group we had formed in the cue.

In the grand scheme of things, not a big deal, but that's really fucked and it seems like Kirkwood should be better organized than that. I've learned to just shake my head and chalk it up to "that's Kirkweed for you". I guess it just wouldn't be the same without the clusterfuck (better, but not the same).

"How can you shoot women and children?"

"Easy. Ya just don't lead 'em so much."

**Steven S. Dallas** · 01-06-2007, 10:13 AM

Pair waiting on a triple can let someone join them, group of three waiting on a quad can let someone join them, and so forth. Anything else is horseshit.

Ever seen anyone drop a pole just as the KT maze starts moving forward? Sad sight...

DisArray · 01-06-2007, 11:02 AM

You know what? If everybody carried a handgun, problem solved.

**SkiED** · 01-06-2007, 11:30 AM

^yeah but thats pretty lame that one person can reserve a whole chair for 3 of his other buddys who are still driving up the canyon. Because essentially they just cut off all the people that have been waiting patiently in the singles line. Those empty spots on the chair should be for the singles who have been waiting, not people who show up late and jump the whole line