With the Explosiv gone...

**Blashyrkh** · 01-02-2007, 02:55 PM

...what's taking its place with CMH and the rest of the Heli and Cat ops?

**Blashyrkh** · 01-02-2007, 02:58 PM

Nevermind. Dumb question. http://www.cmhski.com/ski/first_timers/equipment/

**Damian Sanders** · 01-02-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Blashyrkh

Nevermind. Dumb question. http://www.cmhski.com/ski/first_timers/equipment/

As I recall, helidaddy's are basicly sugardaddy's without the twin....nice skis, but I wouldn't look for heliski rentals for anything cutting edge...in fact, the opposite.

**Blashyrkh** · 01-02-2007, 03:52 PM

Who said anything about cutting edge? I was wondering what cheap, used pow ski was going to replace the Explosivs with the dirtbag/'troller/granola crowd.

Speaking of that, does anyone think that used CMH Heli-Daddies will fill the void left by the Exploders? Seems to me that the Daddies might not be as versatile. Could be wrong though.

**Teletori** · 01-02-2007, 04:13 PM

The Heli-Daddy is very forgiving in all snow conditions and is the number one choice among guides and guests. It comes in 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 centimetre lengths.

Did not know about that length...

**powderface** · 01-02-2007, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Blashyrkh

Who said anything about cutting edge? I was wondering what cheap, used pow ski was going to replace the Explosivs with the dirtbag/'troller/granola crowd.

Speaking of that, does anyone think that used CMH Heli-Daddies will fill the void left by the Exploders? Seems to me that the Daddies might not be as versatile. Could be wrong though.

Mantra's replaces explosivs.

Who Cares? Your're skiing all powder anyway at CMH (most of the time) you don't need a versitile ski. JONG!

**gwat** · 01-02-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Blashyrkh

Speaking of that, does anyone think that used CMH Heli-Daddies will fill the void left by the Exploders? Seems to me that the Daddies might not be as versatile. Could be wrong though.

Heli Daddies are no where near as durable as the CMH and will turn into noodles relatively quickly. Yay for foam core! But they are light and cheap, exactly what the ops want. Not so good for the core skiers looking to snag some cheap used gear.

**Blashyrkh** · 01-02-2007, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by powderface

Mantra's replaces explosivs.

Who Cares? Your're skiing all powder anyway at CMH (most of the time) you don't need a versitile ski. JONG!

I'm talking about the used market. Ever notice how patrollers and other granola type people are riding on used CMH boards? I'm just wondering if we'll start seeing these people riding the CMH Helidaddy once their explosivs bite the dust.
And since I'm talking about CMH skis in the used market, Mantra's don't figure into the equation because CMH are not using them. Therefore, we won't see hundreds of used CMH mantras being sold by folks like Mtlion every year, instead, we'll see hundreds of used CMH Helidaddies. Hence, my question.

So, anyways, that was a pretty weak JONGing, douche.

**Tony** · 01-02-2007, 04:42 PM

I thought Heli-daddies were softer than Explosivs. Maybe LPs? To each their own.

**Gripen** · 01-02-2007, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Damian Sanders

As I recall, helidaddy's are basicly sugardaddy's without the twin....nice skis, but I wouldn't look for heliski rentals for anything cutting edge...in fact, the opposite.

I thought the Pimp Daddies were the Sugar Daddies WITH a twin. Do Sugar's have a full twin, thought just a slight one.
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Dale- You've got a "real" job now. Time to pony up for a newer pair of boards!

**single** · 01-02-2007, 06:41 PM

sugar= semi twin, rounded tail

pimp=full twin, rounded tail

heli=no twin, flat tail

**Blashyrkh** · 01-02-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gripen

I thought the Pimp Daddies were the Sugar Daddies WITH a twin. Do Sugar's have a full twin, thought just a slight one.
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Dale- You've got a "real" job now. Time to pony up for a newer pair of boards!

Never! Dirtbag-Core for life, holmes.

**pechelman** · 01-02-2007, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tony

I thought Heli-daddies were softer than Explosivs. Maybe LPs? To each their own.

The 180 HDs I used to have was stiff as shit undefoot and at the tail.... nearly explosiv stiff. Ive also skied on 180 sploders for a while too.

The tip on the other hand was soft...softer than the sugar daddy's tip.

The LP is stiffer all around in comparison to the HD.

**Tony** · 01-02-2007, 11:17 PM

That's what I meant: LPs as a heir apparent to Explosivs.

**flip** · 01-03-2007, 02:57 AM

My 180 Helidaddies aren't all that stiff (I drive 'em with dynafits), and are relatively easy to ski. I'd say about the same stiffness as my 180 explosivs in the middle and tail but with more camber (my explosivs have none). They've got plenty of days on them and aren't dead... Atomics are pretty durable. The construction isn't comparable to a traditional foam core.

They're pretty good at everything, but I don't love 'em. I think they need a taller tip, but other than that they make a great touring ski.

**ulty_guy** · 01-03-2007, 03:23 AM

long live the explosiv!

**mntlion** · 01-03-2007, 08:34 AM

old plated sugar = stiff all thru

newer plateless sugar = soft tip and bit softer everywhere.

**pechelman** · 01-03-2007, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by flip

They're pretty good at everything, but I don't love 'em. I think they need a taller tip, but other than that they make a great touring ski.

ditto
thats why I sold mine
I liked the soft tip in powder, but on everything else it felt like there was a hinge right infront of my toe. Wish they evened out the tapaered\progressive flex a bit more. 2nded on very easy to ski because of the soft shovel. I also wasnt hugely impressed with hardsnow grip but that could most definitely be an issue of a tune.

**laseranimal** · 01-04-2007, 09:09 AM

heli daddies make good touring skis, softer tip then the explosive but really stiff underfoot and stiff tail

**comish** · 01-04-2007, 01:08 PM

My sugardaddys have the plate.

They actually are rather stiff torsionally and have great edge grip. They are funny though. If they aren't way on edge, then they don't absorb or aren't very smooth ala LP. Very light and stiffer than most people give them credit for, but remember mine have the full plate which I think makes a bit of difference as MntLion says. They actually have pretty dang good edge grip though when put on edge. I skied them and the LP back to back early season on hard packed man made Mammoth groomers in early december and the edge grip is surprisingly similar. TOTALLY different feel however so don't think I'm saying they are an LP. Much lighter, but they are torsionally stiff so hold an edge surprisingly well... I actually thought they were far more torsionally stiff than the Bro, but I only skied one of Vet's demo Bro's that were pretty used...