Fack the draft

[Sublime]

Just got mine in the mail.

I was looking around their website . Saw a few things which I didn't like.

Before Congress reformed the draft in 1971, a man could qualify for a student deferment if he could show he was a full-time student making satisfactory progress in virtually any field of study. He could continue to go to school and be deferred from service until he was too old to be drafted. Under the new draft law, a college student could have his induction postponed only until the end of

Bullshit.

I ain't filling it out till we get a new President.

Edit for Tj

I respect and honor all vets. I thank them from the bottom of my heart for what they did for this country. My problem is if we have to use the draft again why the hell are we fighting the war?

Do I support the soilders in Iraq? Hell yes I do. Do I think they should be there? No I don't. My problem lies in being drafted for a war I don't beleive in.

[TJ.Brk]

Originally posted by Sublime
Just got mine in the mail.

I was looking around their website . Saw a few things which I didn't like.

Before Congress reformed the draft in 1971, a man could qualify for a student deferment if he could show he was a full-time student making satisfactory progress in virtually any field of study. He could continue to go to school and be deferred from service until he was too old to be drafted. Under the new draft law, a college student could have his induction postponed only until the end of

Bullshit.

I ain't filling it out till we get a new President.

Ya screw America and all the men that were drafted/volunteered, who died defending all the things that we take for granted. Why should anybody else feel any sense of responsibility that they should.

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by TJ.Brk
Ya screw America and all the men that were drafted/volunteered, who died defending all the things that we take for granted. Why should anybody else feel any sense of responsibility that they should.

For once I agree with TJ, even though he's a US Vet who now lives in Canuckia.

Fuck all you douchebags who won't fight for your country and don't understand that hundreds of thousands of men and women died to protect your right to say such a retarded thing. And don't give me that bullshit about only going to war for something you believe in. It's your duty to fight for your country, if you don't like that, move to Cuba or something.

[Sublime]

Blurred I got Tj's point your however is horseshit.

What just because your country is going to war does that make it right? I bet that's what the Germans said during WWII hey were fighting for the right cause. Just because were fighting for something doesn't make it right or justifable in any damn way I don't care how you slice it.

And I know I can't spell worth a damn.

[Dexter Rutecki]

you're talking about the Selective Service registration? I believe if you don't do it there's a chance you won't qualify for some loans, etc., but almost no chance of anything beyond that.
But it's not the draft.
I didn't fill mine out and then they started sending me stuff, so I gave in and did it. But I knew a guy in HS who never registered, and strongly advocated everyone doing the same.

[PaSucks]

Just got finished watching (count 'em) all ten hours of Band of Brothers. Your sentiment sucks. Apply for the godamned draft. You may not like it, but if these men could go to hell and back for their country, so can you.

Of course, its not like you will ever get drafted so quit bitchin.

[Sublime]

My problem doesn't lie in the draft.

It would be getting forced to fight in some damn war I don't believe in.

[Snow Dog]

Originally posted by Sublime
I bet that's what the Germans said during WWII hey were fighting for the right cause.

Actually they were fighting because of their obligation to their country and it's leaders. Most didn't like fighting at all. When Hitler committed suicide the very first question was "who do we call to surrender?"

[SledNeck]

Originally posted by Sublime
My problem doesn't lie in the draft.

It would be getting forced to fight in some damn war I don't believe in.

Welcome to the real world where people get up everyday and do shit they don't believe in.

We all fucking singned it, sign yours and quit crying....

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by Sublime
My problem doesn't lie in the draft.

It would be getting forced to fight in some damn war I don't believe in.

I really, really, really, don't want to get into another debate, but your statement is fucking retarded.


No one wants to fight in a war, except maybe that guy in Black Sheep.

People have kids, wifies, etc. They come first. Do you know how many people have been widowed and had a parent killed in war?
Their family comes first before their opinion on whether they are fighting the good fight. Hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers would be turning in their graves if they heard the selfish bullshit you're spewing.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Maybe if you do get drafted you could get your dad to get you a spot in the National Guard in Texas or Alabama, and then you wouldn't even have to show up, but could still claim you did your part.
This may only work if your father is an ambassador for a Republican president, though.

[AKkid]

who's got the pen? who makes the decision? i'd say sublime has a decision to make, just like those that fought under the prior draft. they did what they thought was right, sublime you got the same decision to make so call it as you see it and consider all that has been said here

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by AKkid
who's got the pen? who makes the decision? i'd say sublime has a decision to make, just like those that fought under the prior draft. they did what they thought was right, sublime you got the same decision to make so call it as you see it and consider all that has been said here

Pipe down JONG.

If it was up to civilians to decide whether they want to possibly get killed or not, we would'nt have a sizeable army.
That's why there IS a draft.

[grrrr]

Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
Pipe down JONG.

If it was up to civilians to decide whether they want to possibly get killed or not, we would'nt have a sizeable army.
That's why there IS a draft.

You forgot your winky on that one.

[backpack]

Well, one thing to point out is that there isn't a draft going on right now and that this is just selective service registration. Just about gave me a heart attack with your post title... way to blow things out of proportion.

Registering for the draft is a very different thing than being called up to fight in a war. You can register for the SSS and just run away to Canadia in the event of a draft if you really don't want to chance being called up.

You should think about what you're giving up by not registering, as well. Federal jobs, scholarships, etc. require you be registered, and over half the states link SSS registration with drivers' license registration.

No, all wars aren't just, but that's why you're allowed to vote at the same time you're eligible for the draft... in theory you can elect people who agree with your idea of truth and justice.

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by grrrr
You forgot your winky on that one.

How's that?

[InspectorGadget]

Aside from the lunatic fringe, I think you would be hard pressed to find a single soldier that wants to go to war. For any reason, justified or not. I don't agree with the war in Iraq; but don't be confused, I support our troops 100%.

My father passed away years ago and now I miss hearing his war stories; the very same stories I got so sick of hearing as a child. It means a lot to me to know that he nearly died in the south pacific defending the freedoms that some of you childish brats take for granted.

You live in a country where you have the right to jump up and down and scream whatever you want at the top of your lungs. And yet, you want to pick and choose which wars may be worthy of your time; I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. You can't have one foot on both sides of the fence.

Being an adult isn't all it's cracked up to be. If you want the respect afforded adults, maybe you should start acting like one. Or shut the hell up!

Besides, signing up for selective service hasn't sent anybody into combat that I know.

[iceman]

Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
That's why there IS a draft.

Just a technicality, but there isn't a draft.

Sublime is thinking right: if there's a reason to fight, if our country or our families are in danger, sign the hell up, and now. If there's a legitimate national interest that requires American boys to be on the front line?

Fine. Sign the paper.

But to be drafted and die for Halliburton and Exxon? To leave my wife a widow for Texaco? Fuck that forever. Come find me.

[grrrr]

Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
How's that?

There hasn't been a draft since 1976.

[motown_fatty]

First off, JONG away everyone...

AKkid and sublime...we have the right to choose whether or not to sign that card for one reason and one reason only. Since the revolution countless numbers of soldiers have given up their freedom so that the whole may be free. By signing up for the draft you are strengthing the consitution itself and validating the American way of life. Without a strong willingness of all citizens to simply make themselves available to serve the core of American defense policy loses its backbone...don't agree with a war? That is why it is called sacrifice. By the way, the likliehood of a war that would involve the number of infantry and support soldiers (spots most likely filled by drafties) that would cause a large number of drafted soldiers to actually see combat is nearly nill. That's why we have a dominant Air Force and Navy. You would be so lucky as to be honored by supporting the troops truly on the front line.

[iceman]

Originally posted by motown_fatty
First off, JONG away everyone...

AKkid and sublime...we have the right to choose whether or not to sign that card for one reason and one reason only. Since the revolution countless numbers of soldiers have given up their freedom so that the whole may be free. By signing up for the draft you are strengthing the consitution itself and validating the American way of life. Without a strong willingness of all citizens to simply make themselves available to serve the core of American defense policy loses its backbone...don't agree with a war? That is why it is called sacrifice. By the way, the likliehood of a war that would involve the number of infantry and support soldiers (spots most likely filled by drafties) that would cause a large number of drafted soldiers to actually see combat is nearly nill. That's why we have a dominant Air Force and Navy. You would be so lucky as to be honored by supporting the troops truly on the front line.

Guess the jong told us.

[char]

As BP said, you need to think really hard about what you are not signing here. Unless your parents are paying for college you are SOL when it comes to FAFSA. Scholarships you can probably get without a SSS. Any sort of federal job is out as well.

It's your choice, just make it a wise, informed one.

Also, they got rid of the college deferment because the burden of the draft was being placed on the poor, primarily minorities. Quit your bitching about that, that is seriously an elitist bullshit attitude. It's one thing to be opposed to war, it's another to not sign a piece of paper because you aren't getting a college deferement and basicallly avoiding the draft anyways.

Edit: I signed mine when I got it, didn't even think twice. Of course, I was thinking about joining up at the time.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by InspectorGadget
Being an adult isn't all it's cracked up to be. If you want the respect afforded adults, maybe you should start acting like one. Or shut the hell up!

Yeah, act like an adult, shut the hell up, and do as you're told without questioning it! How else will the children of Cheney and Bush be saved from fighting and continue to profit from the sacrifices of others?

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by grrrr
There hasn't been a draft since 1976.

Holy Shit!! you're kidding! I guess I'll hop back over the border now.....


Get off of technicalities Mr. Simpleton.

Let me rephrase.

That's why there IS such thing as A draft. (and as others have pointed out, it's the year 2004, and there is no draft. And the sky is blue. And the Earth is round.....)Does that sit better with you? Give me a break dude....

[grrrr]

Register for Selective Service. It doesn't hurt you, and it doesn't commit you to anything.

SS re-emerged in 1980, and in the past 23 years there has not been one person drafted. The likelihood of a draft occurring is much less now than during VietNam - then the National Guard and the Reserves were not called - draftees were instead. During the current conflict, there is much less hesitation to call on the reserves or the guard than before.

If a draft does occur, you can then elect civil disobedience or emigration, if you disagree so strongly with the conflict that you cannot serve. Yes, there are many who will accuse you of un-patriotism or worse, but in the end, it is your morality, your decision.

For those of you who say that serving is a duty that cannot be shirked, consider this thankfully unlikely scenario: you are drafted and given an Auschwitz guard duty - would you "follow orders"?

And for those of you who say you would never serve - would you, if it meant stopping a Hitler?

It simply isn't a black and white world we live in. Stop trying to make it one.