"The current approach is not working..."

**natty dread** · 12-06-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by MeatPuppet

These guys are brilliant! How much money did they spent to come to this conclusion? They ought to run a country or something...

...oh, wait...

Under this completely fucked/corrupt administration, publicly stating the obvious has become revelatory/speaking truth to power. Amazing.

**freshies** · 12-06-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Alek

My suggestion is that all the people that voted for Bush are sent to Iraq for a tour of duty, and after they come back they get stuck with a high-interest credit card with 12,000$ on it (their share of the waste they caused) and 3 years to pay it off.

I see no reason why I should pay for their stupidity just because I live in the same country!

that's the best fucking idea I have heard in some time. seriously.

**freshies** · 12-06-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

Fuck you all, I voted for Nader. Whoo hooo, Ralph! Now that's what I'm talkin bout.

Congratulations, you split the Gore vote and allowed Shrub to win in 2000 - nice job.

**Cono Este** · 12-06-2006, 02:46 PM

But what do we do with all the Democrats that supported Bush?

Safe to say, most liberals assumed Bush would screw up from the begining. But what do they say about their leaders jumping on board the war, the Patriot Act, the vote pandering?

Absolutely nothing, thats what. Free passes for everyone.

If anyone should have their pay returned, it should be them, they were supposed to do their job, not tip the imbalance of govt even more, just for the terror vote.

PUSSIES

**Arty50** · 12-06-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by freshies

Congratulations, you split the Gore vote and allowed Shrub to win in 2000 - nice job.

What if he lives in a state that Gore won?

**freshies** · 12-06-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

But what do we do with all the Democrats that supported Bush?

Safe to say, most liberals assumed Bush would screw up from the begining. But what do they say about their leaders jumping on board the war, the Patriot Act, the vote pandering?

Absolutely nothing, thats what. Free passes for everyone.

If anyone should have their pay returned, it should be them, they were supposed to do their job, not tip the imbalance of govt even more, just for the terror vote.

PUSSIES

Cono, give it a rest, dude. Seriously. The CIC is the ultimate "decider", he and his crew manipulated the facts to fit their agenda for Iraq - a war that was discussed prior to 9/11 - look it up. They also influenced the vote to support their war in Iraq by leaving that open to the CIC based on their support for Afghanistan.

The Dems were pussies for not standing up - no doubt - but the GOP McCarthy like tactics of calling anyone "unpatriotic" and a "Al Qaeda sympathizer" that dared question Shrub had their intended effect.

This was a war of choice wholly conceived and sold to a gullible and cowed public and congress by Bush, Cheney, Wolfawitcz, Rummy and those other pieces of shit. Everything else is just static. It was their decision and theirs alone. Remember, your fearless leader "is the decider".

Deal with it. And stop trying to spread the blame.

**natty dread** · 12-06-2006, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

But what do we do with all the Democrats that supported Bush?

Safe to say, most liberals assumed Bush would screw up from the begining. But what do they say about their leaders jumping on board the war, the Patriot Act, the vote pandering?

Absolutely nothing, thats what. Free passes for everyone.

If anyone should have their pay returned, it should be them, they were supposed to do their job, not tip the imbalance of govt even more, just for the terror vote.

PUSSIES

Sure some dems made poor decisions. It's hard to do the right thing when the repubs are calling you an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer if you go against them. Regardless, shrub and the repubs were still in charge. This is their fault.
As usual, you are trying to deflect the blame for this mess from bush onto the dems. These tired tactics worked for a while, but not anymore as evidenced by the 06 elections.
Unfortunately it's too late, Bush and his repub lackies in the republican majority house and senate already had 6 years to fuck things up.

**Cono Este** · 12-06-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by freshies

Cono, give it a rest, dude. Seriously. The CIC is the ultimate "decider", he and his crew manipulated the facts to fit their agenda for Iraq - a war that was discussed prior to 9/11 - look it up. They also influenced the vote to support their war in Iraq by leaving that open to the CIC based on their support for Afghanistan.

The Dems were pussies for not standing up - no doubt - but the GOP McCarthy like tactics of calling anyone "unpatriotic" and a "Al Qaeda sympathizer" that dared question Shrub had their intended effect.

This was a war of choice wholly conceived and sold to a gullible and cowed public and congress by Bush, Cheney, Wolfawitcz, Rummy and those other pieces of shit. Everything else is just static. It was their decision and theirs alone. Remember, your fearless leader "is the decider".

Deal with it. And stop trying to spread the blame.

Ha Ha Ha

I am not defending Bush, and ultimately I hold him responsible for it all, IT ALL. But....

I think your senator should answer for something as well thats all. I do not think that her partisan pandering for terror votes served you at all, nor was it supported by her constiuents, which actually makes her an idiot as well.

You want history to forget something, I don't think we should.

Her's your gal

Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein in her speech before voting for the Iraq resolution based her vote on the premise of the existence of WMD: "If Saddam Hussein achieves nuclear capability, the risk increases exponentially and the balance of power shifts radically in a deeply menacing way. As I said on this floor in earlier remarks, I believe that Saddam Hussein rules by terror and has squirreled away stores of biological and chemical weapons." And so did Missouri Democratic Representative and ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee Ike Skelton: "[T]he question before the House is this: Shall we stay the hand of the miscreant, or permit the world's worst government to brandish the world's worst weapons? I believe that, Mr. Speaker, difficult as it is, there can be only one answer. I support the resolution."

**Cono Este** · 12-06-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by natty dread

As usual, trying to deflect the blame for this mess from bush onto the dems. These tired tactics worked for a while, but not anymore as evidenced by the 06 elections.
Unfortunately it's too late, Bush and his repub lackies in the republican majority house and senate already had 6 years to fuck things up.

I agree completely. I'm sick of the republicans. But the democrats fucked up as well. Can I say that?

Why do you try so hard to forget their mistakes? I'm glad the democrats took the house and senate, its just too bad we couldn't have replaced more them at the same time though.

I think they all failed us, hope thats not a problem.

**EZB** · 12-06-2006, 03:16 PM

Oh, brother. Cono Este, you voted for W, you moron! Feinstein didn't. You did. Is there a simpler way to point that out?

**natty dread** · 12-06-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

the democrats fucked up as well. Can I say that?

Sure you can. And it's the truth, although the difference in the degree/level of fuck-ups is vast. But it's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

**Cono Este** · 12-06-2006, 03:27 PM

Fine, change the subject. I thought we were taking up a collection from people who put us in that hell hole, that's all.

Feinstein owes too, and she's got it to go as well.

**Tippster** · 12-06-2006, 03:32 PM

Huh - she's actually the better of the two IMHO.

**Cono Este** · 12-06-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tippster

Huh - she's actually the better of the two IMHO.

Overall i agree Tip.

But what % of Bush constituent's supported his war?Alot.

And what % of feinsteins supported her vote? Very few.

Bush=Liar
Feinstein=sell out.

Gentlemen you have the floor, I'm off to pay all these fuckers my Property tax.

**EZB** · 12-06-2006, 03:41 PM

What should the Commander-in-Chief do today?
What should Feinstein do today?

**Mcwop** · 12-06-2006, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by EZB

What should the Commander-in-Chief do today?
What should Feinstein do today?

Copulate.

**Grange** · 12-06-2006, 03:49 PM

The Senators' votes were to give the President authorization to use force not to go to war. It was the President that told the weapons inspectors to leave because he was through waiting and had an itchy trigger finger. Every Senator, Democrat and Republican that voted to give the President authorization to go to war has some responsibility for this clusterfuck we're in, but it was the President that actually decided it was time to put our troops in harms way in Iraq. It was the President's failed policy that got us into this current mess.

Mr. Gates during his confirmation hearing mentioned four cruical mistakes made during the war that brought us to where we are today. Those mistakes were made by the President not the Democratic and Republican Senators who voted to give the President the authority to got to war. Trying to place the same amount of blame on the senators as the President is just another way finding a scapegoat for the President's mistakes.