Mounting powder boards with bindings that have risers/lifters?

**Mcwop** · 10-30-2006, 10:01 AM

What say the maggot borg collective? Conventional wisdom says one should not use bindings with lifters/risers on powder boards.

**yooper** · 10-30-2006, 10:08 AM

I don't know that it makes that much difference one way or the other... In powder, you probably wouldn't notice a difference. On hardpack, any leverage advantage that you would normally get from a lift, you would already be getting because of the width of the ski. I don't think it would add much more leverage?...
I think either way would be fine. Don't go out of your way to buy a lifted binder, though.

**lemon boy** · 10-30-2006, 10:35 AM

personal preference.

**cj001f** · 10-30-2006, 10:43 AM

AT Binders = Lifted Binders. Plenty of AT mounted powder skis around

**Damian Sanders** · 10-30-2006, 11:06 AM

I like bindings on powder specific skis as flat as possible, doesn't matter if it's a 80mm waist ski or a 120mm waist. If you want good all around performance, mount a fat ski (100mm+) with some lift......or ski a 85-90mm waist ski without lift.

**PowderSpectral** · 10-30-2006, 02:01 PM

This might be a "jong question" because of it repetitiveness.
I Put a couple of core shots in my 06 Head liquimetal race stock skis with the vist plate, I was thinking of mounting the binding and the plate on some 94 mm+ skis. Is that ridiculous to put them on Blizzard titan pros or maybe a ski with similar geometry? The vist plat is fairly tall.

**nick > jesus** · 10-30-2006, 02:06 PM

i know people who mount pretty big plates on seths to stiffen them up underfoot

**Krash** · 10-31-2006, 09:49 AM

I run 9mm under the heel, and 13 under the toe of my Vist 816's on my Blowers. Don't know if I need it, but it skis great. I alway flatten out any ramp in the binding, but I probably could mount the heel flat and just lift the toe and it would be the same.

**mntlion** · 10-31-2006, 10:07 AM

more lift = more turny.
less lift = more stable at speed.

**laseranimal** · 10-31-2006, 12:56 PM

lifters on my Pow + and lifters(freerides) on my Heli Daddies

no problems

**Professor** · 10-31-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by yooper

On hardpack, any leverage advantage that you would normally get from a lift, you would already be getting because of the width of the ski.

Sorry, but this is the exact opposite of what occurs. The wider the ski the more leverage you NEED to get the ski on edge. Lifters create a longer "arm" and help to get the ski on edge. But now we have that cleared up. Lifters on pow skis, "whatever floats your boat" since pow skis never "rock" on hard pack. Now lifters on fat skis with teles.... you need lift on all tele bindings since you have more problems with "boot out".

**lemon boy** · 10-31-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Professor

you need lift on all tele bindings since you have more problems with "boot out".

maybe if you bought some wide skis that wouldn't be a problem for you.

L7 · 10-31-2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Professor

Sorry, but this is the exact opposite of what occurs. The wider the ski the more leverage you NEED to get the ski on edge. Lifters create a longer "arm" and help to get the ski on edge. But now we have that cleared up. Lifters on pow skis, "whatever floats your boat" since pow skis never "rock" on hard pack. Now lifters on fat skis with teles.... you need lift on all tele bindings since you have more problems with "boot out".

Ditto, or in other words the the fat skis puts you out of line with the pivot point to put the skis on edge. The right amount of lift gets you lined up. No huge advantage or disadvantage in actual powder but I find the lift makes them much more tolerable on firm snow whether it's sun crust, wind slab, wind blown or just cat tracks getting from A to B on a powder day.

**Raps** · 10-31-2006, 02:09 PM

Yeah this has been talked about before.......what mtnlion said pretty much.....i have some 87mm skis with a 10mm riser to get a little more carve out of it but with my 105mm skis i go no riser......i prefer to be closer to my skis in powder and when i'm hucking etc....personal preference but i say if they are your powder sticks, no need to put a riser on em.....