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    What bad roo's been doing

    Cameras Catch Speeding Britons and Lots of Grief
    Mark Chilvers for The New York Times

    This speed camera in Kelvedon Hatch, England, has been vandalized three times in the last year. Fireproof casing was added in the latest repairs.


    KELVEDON HATCH, England, Oct. 24 — To drive in Britain is to measure out your trip in speed cameras. As inevitable as road signs and as implacable as the meanest state trooper, they lurk everywhere, the government’s main weapon against impatient drivers.


    Drivers in Brentwood, which encompasses Kelvedon Hatch, say speed cameras are money traps.

    It is a shame that so many people hate them.

    Among the ways that motorists have made this clear: spraying the cameras with paint; knocking them over; covering them in festive wrapping paper and garbage bags; digging them up; shooting, hammering and firebombing them; festooning them with burning tires; and filling their casings with self-expanding insulation foam that, when activated, blows them apart.

    Visual examples can be seen on the Web site of a vigilante group called Motorists Against Detection, which displays color photographs of smashed, defaced and burned-out cameras — pornography for the anti-camera movement.

    In a nation that is estimated to have four million surveillance cameras — the most per capita in the world, civil liberties groups say — there are currently as many as 6,000 spots for speed cameras, in the country and in the city, on highways, urban arteries, suburban streets and rural lanes.

    “Speed cameras can’t detect tailgating, bad driving, drink driving or drug driving,” said a spokesman for the group, explaining his objections. An occasional contributor to British radio debates about traffic regulations, he uses the name Captain Gatso — after the most common form of speed camera — because, he says, he wants to avoid arrest.

    The government does not keep figures on camera vandalism, so it is impossible to confirm Captain Gatso’s claim that the group, known as M.A.D., has attacked more than 1,000 cameras, or that its members are “grown-up people, with normal jobs, who are cheesed off,” rather than hooligans engaging in “willy-nilly childish vandalism.”

    But if there is a battle between motorists and speed cameras, the cameras are surely winning.

    In this little hamlet in Brentwood, about an hour northeast of London, one particularly reviled camera — installed to catch people exceeding the 40 m.p.h. speed limit on a busy suburban road — has been set on fire three times in the past year, and three times it has been repaired.

    Now, about $66,000 later, it is back on the job again, new and improved, swathed in protective fireproof housing. “Touch wood, we haven’t had any incidents since,” said Rachel Whitelock, liaison for the Essex Safety Camera Partnership, which installs and maintains the county’s camera sites: 96 stationary spots; 160 stretches of road policed by cameras whose locations change; and 26 traffic light cameras for red lights.

    The government says the cameras have been a resounding success, reducing speed by an average of 2.2 miles per hour at speed-camera sites, reducing the numbers of people speeding at the sites by 31 percent and reducing by 42 percent the number of people killed or seriously injured at the sites. In public opinion surveys, they point out, a majority of Britons say they support having cameras on the roads. But theory is one thing; practice is another. People like to drive fast, and they bridle at being told what to do. About two million are caught by the speed cameras a year, generating more than $200 million in fines.

    “It’s incredibly difficult to get to people to come to terms with slowing down here,” said Francis Ashton, the road safety manager for the city of Nottingham. “In the States, you have much slower speed limits, and there’s more of a culture of sticking to the speed limit.”

    The cameras detect cars that exceed the speed limit, often with radar technology, and take flash photographs of the license plates so a ticket can be issued. A speeding offense adds three points to a driver’s license. Because drivers who amass 12 points in three years face six-month driving bans, people go to enormous lengths to avoid detection.

    In a recent case, 28-year-old Craig Moore, an engineer from South Yorkshire, ran into trouble when, in the words of a spokesman for the Greater Manchester Police, “instead of just accepting that he had been caught traveling above the speed limit, Moore decided to blow the camera apart.”

    Using thermite, a pyrotechnic substance often used in underwater welding, Mr. Moore succeeded in wrecking the camera, but its hard drive survived — along with videotape of his van driving toward it and then driving away, as the picture dissolved in a cloud of fiery sparks. He was sentenced to four months in jail.

    In another case, John Hopwood, a motorist from Stockport who was caught speeding twice in one trip by two different cameras, tried to avert the second ticket by taking a 40 m.p.h. sign from a road in Manchester and reinstalling it on a 30 m.p.h. road in Rochdale, 10 miles away. He was caught and sentenced to 56 days in jail.

    Even if they agree that speed limits are necessary, many motorists resent having to obey them all the time. They say they hate being constantly on the lookout for cameras and accuse the government of treating them like cash machines.

    “It’s just a road tax,” said Ian Murray, a sales clerk at an army-navy surplus store in Kelvedon Hatch. He understands the need for cameras in residential areas, he said, but feels aggrieved when he sees them on the highway, where the national speed limit is 70 m.p.h. but where the fast lane generally clips along at 80 m.p.h. or higher.

    “What happens is you see the speed camera, and you put on your anchor and drop your speed, and then when you get past it you speed up again,” Mr. Murray said. Also, he said, the cameras cause people to brake suddenly, endangering themselves and the people behind them.

    Paul Smith, head of an anti-camera group called the Safe Speed Road Safety Campaign, said that drivers spent so much time scouring the roadside for cameras that they forget to pay attention to the road.

    “We’ve got a nation of people who have one eye looking out for the next speed camera, another looking for a speed limit sign and another looking at the speedometer — which is a bit of a shame, when you only have two eyes,” he said.

    Technology has moved on considerably since the 1990s, when the first speed cameras were installed in Britain. Now, in addition to the standard cameras that photograph the speeding cars’ license plates, there are cameras that can accurately photograph drivers’ faces — so that they cannot claim someone else was driving at the time — and cameras that work in teams, calculating average speeds along a stretch of road.

    Of course, for every ingenious new camera, there is an ingenious new camera-thwarting device. These include constantly-updating G.P.S. equipment that alerts drivers to camera locations and a special material that, when sprayed on a license plate, is said to make it impervious to flash photographs.

    There are also the low-tech methods of covering a license plate with mud or altering its letters with black electrical tape.

    But in the end, the effort is not worth it, said Vincent Yearley, a spokesman for the Institute of Advanced Motorists, a road-safety organization.

    “A lot of drivers feel alienated by speed cameras,” Mr. Yearley said. “But the best way to deal with a speed camera is simply to comply with the law, and not to set fire to it.”
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    heh, I saw that article this morning and also thought of roo, especially the one guy with the thermite.

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    crocked sea-faring crook?

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    Heard on the radio recently.....
    The police dept. sent some guy a picture of his car and a speeding ticket for a couple hundred bucks ...
    The guy sent them a picture of a couple hundred bucks...
    The police dept. sent him a picture of handcuffs
    If it weren't for serendipity, there'd be no dipity at all

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    Roo is so far gone he wont even reply to his MySpace account
    Points on their own sitting way up high

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    I don't have anywhere near the attention span long enough to read that entire deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brettf View Post
    I don't have anywhere near the attention span long enough to read that entire deal!
    I don't have the time to read more than your user name, but I'm not surprised why mr roo hopped off the stage.
    Elvis has left the building

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    “We’ve got a nation of people who have one eye looking out for the next speed camera, another looking for a speed limit sign and another looking at the speedometer — which is a bit of a shame, when you only have two eyes,” he said.
    Definitely could be one of the guys who came up with a ginormous levitating PMSing Conch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacDaddy View Post
    Roo is so far gone he wont even reply to his MySpace account
    ...and there was a distinct lack of on-stage shitting at the UK Freeski Awards

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    Read that this AM, and comically enough, also thought of Roo.

    My favorite quote:

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    I totally beat you to that highlight by 1/2 an hour.

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    I think what bad_roo has really been doing is posting as craog of zeus. Eh, Andy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by train07 View Post
    Heard on the radio recently.....
    The police dept. sent some guy a picture of his car and a speeding ticket for a couple hundred bucks ...
    The guy sent them a picture of a couple hundred bucks...
    The police dept. sent him a picture of handcuffs

    that is funny stuff

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    I wonder why they are doing this?
    Is it more fun to speed, or just to destroy the cameras?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I wonder why they are doing this?
    Is it more fun to speed, or just to destroy the cameras?
    The innards drip out the bottom of the camera in a molten liquididy fashion if you fill them with flammable liquid.

    I hear.

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    Can't be Roo - he always crosses the Channel to conduct his speeding offenses here! And to think he is leaving it at 2.2 miles is just ridiculous.

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    Anyone else notice that bad_roo's post count has been slowly falling? Are threads being deleted or is the sneaky bastard going back and deleting posts?

    Yea, I dunno... just a random observation. Down to 6,893 now... was 6,997 a few days ago.

    I'm not keeping track on purpose... his posts get randomly bumped and count changes.

    Oh, and do threads that head into the archive no longer count towards one's post count?

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    heh, I hadn't noticed that his count was falling, but he peaked at 6,999. Someone asked in the "Ask TGR" forum for that to happen to keep roo from getting to 7K, though. Maybe Frozen or somebody decided to do it and see what happens. Or maybe Roo is slowly pulling a Highway Star, it would take a while though.

    Your posts are still counted when they are in the archives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by train07 View Post
    Heard on the radio recently.....
    The police dept. sent some guy a picture of his car and a speeding ticket for a couple hundred bucks ...
    The guy sent them a picture of a couple hundred bucks...
    The police dept. sent him a picture of handcuffs


    Now that is funny...
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