Castle Peak 10/14/06

**leroy jenkins** · 10-17-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by homerjay

Honestly, what the fuck do people expect with all of this TR business? Of course it's going to lure people out there. If you don't want people going to your 'stash,' don't post pictures and descriptions of it on the fucking internet.

Yea, you know what else is going to lure people out there? the fact that they're skiers and theres snow. I mean for fucks sake, my gaper mother knows about montezuma basin, and didn't iskibc and crew say exactly where it was in thier TR? personally, I like to know where places are, even if its like 200 miles away from me, its just nice to know

a crappy TR still contributes a lot more than posts bitching about a crappy TR

them acting unsafe in avy teritory is a separate issue, that I cant speak to because i wasn't there, and too be honest, I'm probably too ignorant anyways.

whatever, we all just need to go play in the snow

**iskibc** · 10-17-2006, 04:09 PM

This thread makes me laugh and disgusted at the same time.

I'm not pointing the finger to anyone, just making a general observation:

The 'secret stash/protective and elitist' attitude is lame and has no place in this sport. If you are so bent out of shape about someone skiing in an area you like to frequent, then either deal with it or ski somewhere else where you can't drive a vehicle up to 12,500' and step out of your truck and ski a line. Hike a little farther. There are plenty of lines up around 'zuma and other popular early season bc areas where you are lucky if you see a set of tracks the entire month. If you see the shit show, tune out and move on to a different location/line. If you don't want to tell anyone about your stash, then fine, do that. But don't whip your dick out in the public and spray how you know all these secret stashes and you're not going to share with anyone. That's lame.

I've found that the easy access and high traffic areas (Berthoud Pass, Loveland Pass, Jones Pass, Montezuma basin, East Portal, Vail Pass, etc.) are really the only locales that suffer from the internet/forum advertising. If you want to escape the crowds, then avoid those high traffic areas, or go on a weekday. Don't bitch about it on the internet.

I'm glad that people are out and enjoying the early season snow. What makes me angry is when I see people that shouldn't be there and have no clue what the hell they are doing. People should have common sense before heading out. Know your boundaries.

Lastly, there are many other forums besides TGR with current mountain conditions/beta. It's just not one or two trip reports, it's a collaboration of many forums and current information out there on the internet. It's not going to change so you might as well deal with it.

**Ireallyliketoski2** · 10-17-2006, 04:10 PM

I skied Castle Peak and Conundrum Peak last spring, we had Castle all to ourselves and saw one rad solo boarder beater down Conundrum Couloir. I posted the TR here because I was done skiing for the year and wanted everyone to see just how core I am.

**powdherb** · 10-17-2006, 04:21 PM

Before critcizing what I look like in a photograph, why don't you post your TR to bullshit spray ratio. I have posted more than five, but lets say for example I didn't. 5/47, that equals .11.

Unfortunately I can't brag that I have 3321 posts. For that, I am deeply mentally traumatized and embarrassed.

Also, you're right. My hairdresser, who doubles as my boyfriend is actually from miami. He perfected the "geigh" style.

And finally yes, Real skiers do drink Champagne and do coke off your sister's ass(not pictured) after skiing baker.

Lastly, I concur with iskibc in the fact that this elitist shit has no place here. I have been posting on these and powder boards for years under different names. I have no hesitation posting the name and exact location of what I was skiing. Guess what. I never had a problem with anyone "stealing my lines." I'm just glad to share the sickness with people who want to get after it. Share the stoke, get over it.

**Rontele** · 10-17-2006, 04:27 PM

and poseurs drink champange from chardonay glasses.

the truth hurts.

**powdherb** · 10-17-2006, 04:29 PM

It actually was Pinot, I believe. But I mean you being a philanthropist from chicago, you have the authority. Just don't start talking about mountains.

**mtnbikerskierchick** · 10-17-2006, 04:32 PM

Well said, iskibc.

You are an inspiration to many maggots and lurkers on this site and your amazing TR's will lure people to the places you go. The less work it takes to get there, the more people will go: ie Loveland, Berthoud, Jones and Montezuma.

Personally, I love this site for the beta it provides. I prefer it when people at least reveal the general vacinity of their stashes. Most stashes are not really secret any more, and if they are, I totally understand people not posting the locale. But, as I said, most stashes are not exactly secret anymore, and I appreciate trip reports that describe routes and conditions. I know I'm not the only one in appreciation of this.

Thanks to all who contribute here with their fabulous TR's!

**Freuchen Icepick** · 10-17-2006, 04:33 PM

All right deep thinkers and pimpers of proper-noun places, here's some thoughts by Carl Skoog's brothers on the very topic -- "on places being overrun" -- excerpted from a Powder online interview a while back:

REMEMBERING CARL SKOOG: A 90-minute interview with brothers Lowell and Gordy

Lowell: Another thing that’s pretty hard to explain is that Carl and I shared a pretty conscious awareness of the effect that media and publicity can have on places—on places becoming overrun. We both agreed that there were some places we wouldn’t publicize. I went so far as to put in writing the philosophy behind it. The way that I justified it to myself and explained it was essentially that there are three kinds of places. There are places that everyone knows about and are easy to get to; nobody worries about the publicity for those. And there are places that, whether or not everybody knows about them, they are hard to get to; and those are kind of protected by their remoteness. Then there are the places that are actually not hard to get to but for some reason aren’t that well known. And those were the places that we decided that we wouldn’t put in our slide shows, and he wouldn’t necessarily sell pictures of those places.

People say, “Oh you’re just selfish.” But to me it came from the delight we had in this feeling of, “Wow, I’ve just discovered this place that I never knew about.” And the sense that you can help preserve that by just kind of being quiet about it; let other people discover it. It’s not like you’re hoarding it for yourself. I mean, you could look at it that way, but the other way of looking at it is why not keep some places like that, places that you can on a weekend stumble into? Doesn’t take a plane ticket, doesn’t take going around the world. And so that was part of his approach, which is a difficult balancing act for somebody whose business it is to sell pictures.

POWDER: Since pictures sell a place…

Lowell: Right. And there are places, for example, in the desert southwest where he was very careful to never—and I think this is a general ethic among people who photograph in these areas—say exactly where the photograph was taken. Because the special character of those places, especially in some of the Native and archaeological areas, can be destroyed.

Gordy: I have a personal experience that relates to that. We have in our house the classic Havasu Falls image—and it caught my attention to the point where I asked Carl questions about the place, like was it worth going to and that sort of thing. It stuck in my head for a long time to go down there. And coincidentally, it happened to be that I was down there when Carl was on Mercedario. But it was his image that drove me there. And my experience was that it was a place that was overrun, that was trashed quite a bit by hordes of people, yet, under normal circumstances would not be that easy to get to. It’s a long walk. But due to the volume of interest, the native Indians there have allowed themselves to kind of compromise their asset. They carry people’s gear down, they fly them in by helicopter. And it’s people like, well, it’s Carl’s images, in part, that have contributed to that—and the Internet, too, in making those images so readily available.

Lowell: I had a conversation with a fellow who was doing something for Backcountry magazine and we got into this subject. Fortunately he sent me what he was proposing to write and I corrected him because he said something about how Carl and I worried about the mountains being overrun as backcountry skiing became more popular. I would back up and say that wasn’t really it. It wasn’t being overrun by people. We want more people to ski, that’s cool. But it was being overrun by information. From my own experience there’s this wonderful sense of discovery you can get in backcountry skiing when you look at a map and go, “Hmmm, what’s that like?” And you find it out on your own. Carl and I called places like these our Personal Discovery Zones. It’s like, if you meet somebody out there, cool, say “Have a great day,” shake their hand, but don’t put it in a guide book and don’t put it in the “150 Secret Spots on the North Cascades Highway.” That’s essentially the book we always dreaded that someone was going to write.

**Rontele** · 10-17-2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by powdherb

It actually was Pinot, I believe. But I mean you being a philanthropist from chicago, you have the authority. Just don't start talking about mountains.

philanthropist? do you even know what that word means. and I live in Chicago because I go to school here. colorado is my home, so I would happily talk with you about mountains, bitch.

and you have no position to associate yourself with the greatness that is iskibc. the dude is not only a fucking machine, but a stand-up maggot, who inspires us daily with his adventures and pushing the limits of the sport.

**IridePow** · 10-17-2006, 04:39 PM

I agree with iskibc..... OK I am also a newbie here on this forum so I guess I have way more to gain than the old guys.

If you can teach someone something along the way be proud of it.

Bottom line is: let's just have fun out there and be save!

**jrbd** · 10-17-2006, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lowell

But it was being overrun by information. From my own experience there’s this wonderful sense of discovery you can get in backcountry skiing when you look at a map and go, “Hmmm, what’s that like?” And you find it out on your own.

Map? MAP??? Boy, what a cheater. He should discover these places on his own, not rely on the USGS to provide him topographical maps.

**Below Zero** · 10-17-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by powdherb

Share the stoke, get over it.

Examples of powderherb sharing the stoke:

Originally Posted by powdherb

Get some balls and skin more than 1:45 from a two ski areas that are losing their souls faster than your're losing hair, fat-ass. PEACE

Originally Posted by powdherb

the reason why utah is featured in more than most anything else is because powder likes to cater to its audience. unfortunately for those who rip, this is an audience that is primarily 28-42 year olds, not unlike the demographic of this board. I enjoy the utah pics, I do, but the fact of the matter is I have most of them on my hard drive already because I shot them.

January 2006 - In regards to Gordy praising the quality and quantity of TRs on the board lately:

Originally Posted by powdherb

Yeah it is crazy, maybe if we wait even longer, we can see even MORE LCC trip reports, ooo I can't wait!

Yep, now that's what I call sharing the stoke!

Originally Posted by powdherb

As far as now goes, I'm only 20 and I'm still invincible

Originally Posted by powdherb

Also, deer valley is impressive, as is the canyons. If you talk shit on deer valley, your gaperness is obvious becuase second the backcountry at the canyons, its the easiest lift accessed goods on that side of the ridgeline. And shit, who doesn't enjoy taking your boots off in the stein erikson lodge and enjoying some shrimp cocktail with a fine burgandy? Take your head out of your ass.

Originally Posted by powdherb

anyone who skis poontoons is a pussy. are you agaisnt face shots, can you not handle riding the terrain
? well fret not, ride the pontoons, hyoudon'jt have too feel shit, its like double bagging agaisnt a bitthch who you know slept with a friend of yours who has a rotten case of syphiislis

**Dr. Gaper** · 10-17-2006, 04:55 PM

This country is up to 300 Million people. WTF do you territorial crybabies expect?

Besides, the people before you were bitchin about YOU skiing THEIR 'secret' stashes. It never ends. Get over it. Stop reproducing.

**Dr. Gaper** · 10-17-2006, 04:56 PM

Below Zero feels tough beating up on junior. How quaint.

**FrankZappa** · 10-17-2006, 04:57 PM

I knew the 300 m peeps thread and this one were on a collision course.

**berko** · 10-17-2006, 05:01 PM

You gotta watch out for syphiislis.

It takes a shitload of pneceliiin before it finally clears up.

**iskibc** · 10-17-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rontele

and you have no position to associate yourself with the greatness that is iskibc. the dude is not only a fucking machine, but a stand-up maggot, who inspires us daily with his adventures and pushing the limits of the sport.

Actually I'm just a hack who reveals people's secret stashes all over the internet.

**Rontele** · 10-17-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by iskibc

Actually I'm just a hack who reveals people's secret stashes all over the internet.

yeah right

**shera** · 10-17-2006, 05:58 PM

This shite is too stupid. Must resist.

**Rontele** · 10-17-2006, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by SheRa

Damn straight. When are people going to figure this out? Also, don't take anybody that posts TRs all the time to places that you want kept secret because ultimately they will be publicized for personal glory.

Or just tell them not to reveal the location. I like to post TRs, but I also respect places people take me and won't reveal the location. If someone is smart enough to figure out where we were, so be it.

Ultimately, it is kind of like a Catch-22. We all love the TRs (esp iskibc's--at least for me) and enjoy sharing stoke with another. On the other hand, it is very reasonable and conceivable that people get pissed off when they see spots that were virtually once empty, now crowded due to beta peeled from these TRs. Personally, I favor a system that errrs on the side of stoke sharing. It is a HUGE part of this community. So a couple people free ride off the information provided in a TR or two, so what? Any competent person can use google and often put two-and-two together to get the information on their own.

Just my $.02. And SheRa, i have a bunch of old spy goggles (I know, not Oakleys) lying around that I would be happy to give to you.

**shera** · 10-17-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rontele

Or just tell them not to reveal the location. I like to post TRs, but I also respect places people take me and won't reveal the location. If someone is smart enough to figure out where we were, so be it.

Ultimately, it is kind of like a Catch-22. We all love the TRs (esp iskibc's--at least for me) and enjoy sharing stoke with another. On the other hand, it is very reasonable and conceivable that people get pissed off when they see spots that were virtually once empty, now crowded due to beta peeled from these TRs. Personally, I favor a system that errrs on the side of stoke sharing. It is a HUGE part of this community. So a couple people free ride off the information provided in a TR or two, so what? Any competent person can use google and often put two-and-two together to get the information on their own.

Just my $.02. And SheRa, i have a bunch of old spy goggles (I know, not Oakleys) lying around that I would be happy to give to you.

I like the stuff that Freuchen Icepick posted. Reasonable. And just becasue I don't like the people skiing places that I skied before, well, tough shit. I gotta suck it up. I'm still out exploring every day and these mountains will keep me busy for a long time to come. It's still easy to not cross tracks with anyone if that's what I want. And pretty much every place I've skied somebody has been before me, so who am I to say a word about it. I need to get over myself.

I wanted the oakleys because I found some clear replacement lenses for pretty cheap. Thanks though.

**Rontele** · 10-17-2006, 06:16 PM

Just went back and read Lowell Skoogs comment. Very reasonable and understandable.

**homerjay** · 10-17-2006, 06:36 PM

[QUOTE=SheRa;946711]And just becasue I don't like the people skiing places that I skied before, well, tough shit. QUOTE]

Hey sister, it wasn't all that long ago when you and your 'crew' didn't even leave the house without posting a TR about it. Remember?

Not that anyone gives a fuck, but I wasn't trying to discredit anyone's TR's, I was just trying to see what was the cause of SDP's grumblings. iskibc and the rest of you skilled TR creators - keep postin' them and I'll keep readin' them!

**Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo** · 10-17-2006, 06:58 PM

Not that it matters but Iski hit it on the head(my very unfunny sarcasm the other day not withstanding Iski

) If you don't like people around when you ski, try the millions of acres in this state that probably barely see any traffic. My only thought was that powdherd shouldn't come around and spray about CO when he obviously has no clue wtf he is talking about and when we were just having fun with the Mr. Kalet and his TR. I love all the stoke and beta I can get and will continue to share. Hell I was lame enough to live and ski in Boulder for 6 years and only since this site have I discovered Jones Pass. Keep the TR's coming be they lame, awesome or anywhere in between.

**skideeppow** · 10-17-2006, 06:59 PM

I dont want to beat a dead horse, but I will.

Here is a post where i showed pixs but did not let on to where it was (although the heading says it all)
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=18875
This was Oct 04.
I know some of you guys post without disclosing, and I know BC, you do this as well. This location is overrun (i equate it to what laird did to Jaws with his DVD's) I dont know if you follow that, but Jaws two decembers ago was an absolute cluster fuck. I would hope our BC does not get like that.

Once again, just venting a little here.

So when you guys come up here this winter and want some sick BC skiing of highlands, you will have to sign a non disclosure form, or no soup for you!