Barak Obama's Speech on Energy Independence

[freshies]

I like him, a lot, look for him to be the Dem front runner for president in 2012

[P_McPoser]

Here's the part where I get hated on?

For 08 I'd love to see a McCain/Obama ticket. I'm guessing McCain would have to leave the republican party for us to ever see that....

[freshies]

Here's the part where I get hated on?

For 08 I'd love to see a McCain/Obama ticket. I'm guessing McCain would have to leave the republican party for us to ever see that....

no, no hate, makes a lot of sense, just like i was hoping for the kerry/mccain ticket last time...i think he is still too young even for veep, but what the hell, i would vote for them

[P_McPoser]

no, no hate, makes a lot of sense, just like i was hoping for the kerry/mccain ticket last time...i think he is still too young even for veep, but what the hell, i would vote for them

Even with my right of center lean, I could have been persuaded to vote for flipper if he had mcain as his veep.

[bklyn]

...i think he is still too young even for veep...

He's older(45) than Quayle was when he was VP (42), but that's by no means a stellar comparison.

Edit, I had to look it up:

A: The youngest elected president was John F. Kennedy at 43. The youngest president to be inaugurated was Theodore Roosevelt at 42, following the assassination of William McKinley. The oldest president is Ronald Reagan, who was 77 years old when he left office.

Dan Quayle was the second youngest Vice President to serve since John Breckinridge(36). (1857-1861).

[shamrockpow]

He would be older than Clinton was in 1992.

[summit]

John Breckinridge was a traitor, a rebel.

BreckEnridge, Colorado used to be BreckInridge, Colorado. The pro-Union town changed its spelling after John Breckinridge sided with the Confederates.

[Tippster]

Please, oh powers that peruse the innerweb for shit like this, do not let Hillary Clinton get nominated for the US Presidency. She is unelectable... there's just no way in hell Middle America would make her the first female POTUS.

Obama should run - in 2012. He could be the first Senator since Kennedy to win the Presidency. Amny sooner than that and the Roves of this world will marginalize him into nothingness.

[ReaganLogan]

Did anyone else catch the Renewable Energy and Horsepower shows on Modern Marvels on the History channel yesterday evening???

It was great interesting.

Did you know that Switch Grass produces 1,150 Gallons of Ethanol per acre, verses Sugar Cain at 662 Gallons per acre and Corn only has 354 Gallaons per acre..

The next interesting fact was how affective Kerosin is with Turbine engines and how they are very safe compaired to other types of fuels used in motors.


I like Obama, yet do not agree with the name blamming he did on the tape.


The Dems have routinely been against any new refineries in our country and the last one biult was inthe 1970's.. We are also not allowed to drill any new lands for known oil deposits.
So we have been made to keep buying from unfriendly foreign countries.

Switch Grass seems to be a great way to proceed for our fuel and farmers as a whole. With one acre of Switch Grass producing 1,150 gallons of fuel, and can be harvested twice a year that will give us at 20 gallons a week 57 weeks of fuel for the first harvest of two harvests per acre. That means for each person who owns a co-op acre of switch grass they can theoretically sell off the entire second harvest for market that they will not use.

This is a really great way to proceed as well as using the new found Gulf Oil found that is 5 miles under the sea...

[Squatch]

i didn't listen to the podcast, but I'm definitely a fan of a return to centrism and moderate politicos instead of tug-of-war between extreme left and right.

(Although lately I've been leaning more left).

[extreeski]

Very cool Thanks for posting. The issues of global warming and energy independence are the most important facing our nation. We have the ingenuity, know-how and need, to make it happen. If we could send a man to the moon, build super highways, lead the world economy, then by golly, we can spearhead and show some good leadership in this area too.

[summit]

we already have the answers but nobody likes it (at least not in their backyard)

new generation nuclear plants + some wind for the electrical grid

the electrical grid can then be used to charge/create fuel for our cars/trucks whether they are fuel cells, batteries, or ultracapacitors

its expensive for the initial investment, it will take some time to go online, and you will have to declare greenpeacniks and other nuclearphobes as enemy combatants (along with big oil)

your cars have to run on energy... that either comes from fossile fuels directly, or ethanol, from the electric grid, and/or from hydrogen (which has to be created by the electric grid)

what the hell else are we going to find? cars that run on good vibes?

Only by starting down the road toward independence will we create a drive to further technological development to that end!

WE DON'T NEED A FUCKING MANHATTAN PROJECT! WE NEED TO START IMPLEMENTING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL. WE CAN BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT WITH EXISTING TECHNOLOGY.

[Squatch]

to add to summit's post: PHEV -- hybrid vehicles that you can plug in overnight -- would be awesome. For all the people who need a car to do errands, this is the ticket. You can get a little extra juice from the electric grid, and seems (to me at least) the natural extension of hybrid vehicles.

[PNWbrit]

we already have the answers but nobody likes it (at least not in their backyard)

new generation nuclear plants + some wind for the electrical grid

the electrical grid can then be used to charge/create fuel for our cars/trucks whether they are fuel cells, batteries, or ultracapacitors

its expensive for the initial investment, it will take some time to go online, and you will have to declare greenpeacniks and other nuclearphobes as enemy combatants (along with big oil)

your cars have to run on energy... that either comes from fossile fuels directly, or ethanol, from the electric grid, and/or from hydrogen (which has to be created by the electric grid)

what the hell else are we going to find? cars that run on good vibes?

Only by starting down the road toward independence will we create a drive to further technological development to that end!

WE DON'T NEED A FUCKING MANHATTAN PROJECT! WE NEED TO START IMPLEMENTING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL. WE CAN BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT WITH EXISTING TECHNOLOGY.

Hopefully without having to build the 17 additional coal fired power plants that Texass governor Rick Perry has fast tracked permits on? Or at least we could insist that they must use integrated gasification which would be 70 to 90% cleaner than those planned?

Perhaps it's just coincidence that the Chairman of the Texass Utilty Company has donated $148 000 to Perry?

[Plakespear]

to add to summit's post: PHEV -- hybrid vehicles that you can plug in overnight -- would be awesome. For all the people who need a car to do errands, this is the ticket. You can get a little extra juice from the electric grid, and seems (to me at least) the natural extension of hybrid vehicles.

You guys should all see this movie when it comes out on DVD. Unless you live in NYC or LA, it probably will not be coming soon to a theater near you. Very interesting regarding alternative energy sources.

Summit, there is a huge problem with the NIMBY syndrome in this country. My parents live in a valley that according to a study is the "3rd windiest location in New York state." The big local controversy is whether to allow wind turbines to be built in the area. The main opposition is coming from 2nd homeowners from NYC who complain about the "potential eyesores" I'd rather have a clear view of a few big propellers on a ridge than see the same ridge sans propellors, but a little hazy because of smog.

Nuclear plants are a little different, especially in the post 9/11 age. And of course the question of what to do with the radioactive waste. Ofc ourse if the damn contractors didn't cut corners and actually built the plants to spec, Three Mile Island and Cherenobyl probably would not have ever happenned, and people's fears wouldn't be as strong. Although I'd say most people these days would be opposed to nukes because of the terrorist fear. [insert big oil/terrorism conspiracy theory here]

[freshies]

You guys should all see this movie when it comes out on DVD. Unless you live in NYC or LA, it probably will not be coming soon to a theater near you. Very interesting regarding alternative energy sources.

Summit, there is a huge problem with the NIMBY syndrome in this country. My parents live in a valley that according to a study is the "3rd windiest location in New York state." The big local controversy is whether to allow wind turbines to be built in the area. The main opposition is coming from 2nd homeowners from NYC who complain about the "potential eyesores" I'd rather have a clear view of a few big propellers on a ridge than see the same ridge sans propellors, but a little hazy because of smog.

Nuclear plants are a little different, especially in the post 9/11 age. And of course the question of what to do with the radioactive waste. Ofc ourse if the damn contractors didn't cut corners and actually built the plants to spec, Three Mile Island and Cherenobyl probably would not have ever happenned, and people's fears wouldn't be as strong. Although I'd say most people these days would be opposed to nukes because of the terrorist fear. [insert big oil/terrorism conspiracy theory here]

great movie...those cars looked sweet: fast, simple, zero pollution (well, except the electricy they require, I guess) - its a shame the auto/oil industry killed them....

[summit]

Nuclear plants are a little different, especially in the post 9/11 age. And of course the question of what to do with the radioactive waste. Ofc ourse if the damn contractors didn't cut corners and actually built the plants to spec, Three Mile Island and Cherenobyl probably would not have ever happenned, and people's fears wouldn't be as strong. Although I'd say most people these days would be opposed to nukes because of the terrorist fear. [insert big oil/terrorism conspiracy theory here]

I don't even know where to start correcting this...

[Staircase]

I don't even know where to start correcting this...

Agreed..

[Jer]

Skiing sure is a lot of fun.

[Jumper Bones]

...I hope one of the first things they do (after impeaching a certain someone) is to fully fund the NSF, especially its energy research arm.

that's the problem, I think they'd blow out all their time and political capitol trying to do the vengeful impeachment thing, and woulndn't get to the energy thing. For one they depend way too much on the money of oil just like the GOP does, and unfortunately I think 'alternative energy' is just one arrow to be used to get them the control they so desire.

move the fuck on, indeed. the party that champions the idea "move on, leave us alone", can't. Want to impress me? Actually do move on, ignore the president and impeachment stuff, and get work done, like alterna-energy.

anyway, go barack, he's a fresh face and is pretty fuckin' sharp.

and hillary would be a worse choice than john & teresa heinz kerrey.

[Jer]

If the Democrats take both houses I hope one of the first things they do (after impeaching a certain someone)

I agree with you that impeaching Bush should be the nation's #1 priority. If Bush is impeached we will all lose 15 lbs. and get laid.

I like to ski.

[Tippster]

Plake:

The main reason people are generally against wind turbines in populated areas is noise, not "eyesores." As soon as you'd convince those folks to just put up with looking at a few windmills they'd freak once the WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH started.

Jumper: I'm not saying it's the best move for the country, but if a sitting president can be impeached for lying about a blowjob that killed absolutely ZERO of your Brothers in Arms then I can demand an accounting for a motherfucker who killed 2500 (and counting) of you for a goddamn vendetta.

Sour grapes? You bet. Watch me squirt them in his motherfucking fake accent having smirking not really Texan eye.

[Phatstix]

Honda (and BMW) are getting there:

http://www.cbronline.com/article_new...1-31F59AF28A72

We do have a lot of resources that we could and should tap into until BETTER resources are developed.

As far as wind - I was at a local shoping center the other evening and when I got out of my car I heard a wooshing noise. I looked up and found that each parking lot lamp had a small wind turbine on top. Although a bit noisey, it's a start.

Impeaching a "cetain someone" is the last thing our politcal system and country needs at this point (not to mention a complete waste of time and energy (No pun intended)). As the Beatles said - "Come together..."

[ReaganLogan]

Summit, you are so correct...

Nuclear, new coal and hydro and wind are all great answers...

Funny how certain people like to put all of the blame on one person, whether it is the current president or another one from the past.

The polls open and the voting happens every two years on one form of government, so that is where you need to make your change...

Blaming one party or the other is NOT the answer. Start making your change with your purchases. Start purchasing items from social conscious companies such as General Motors (HyBrid Mass Transit Buses in large cities), and other Hybrid vehicles such as the Saturn Vue Green Line, Honda Civic and Ford Escape Hybrid. Also if you need a truck, Chevrolet has a new Hybrid Silverado.

[mday]

I listened to Barak's speech on the radio from the last demo convention, and found myself actually moved. He's either an incredible actor (as it turns out it only takes mediocre acting skills to succeed on the national political stage), or the real deal. As much as I'd actually like to believe the latter, my deeply cynical side says that it's just a matter of time before some ugly skeleton emerges from the closet, or we learn that he's not what he seems, or the system changes him into a hack politician like all the rest. I truly hope I'm wrong, and we actually end up with a candidate worth voting for, and I'd be ecstatic if that could happen as soon as 2012. (Hell, I'd be ecstatic if that happens just once in my remaining lifetime at this point).