Chavez is crazy

**Adolf Allerbush** · 09-21-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by skiflorida

the only reason that the US media is targeting chavez is we currently rely on Venezuala to keep from becoming completely OPEC dependant like every other fucking nation.

Actually Venezuela is an OPEC country. Continue.

**Dantheman** · 09-21-2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

edit: then look up dictator

He's not a dictator, but political dissent and criticism of his government are not exactly encouraged. It may not be Cuba or China, but his country is hardly a shining beacon of free and open goverment.

**cj001f** · 09-21-2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

a shining beacon of free and open goverment.

When'd that become a requirement for the US?

**Tippster** · 09-21-2006, 10:23 AM

Didn't you get the memo? I'm sure they sent out a memo....

**PNWbrit** · 09-21-2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

He's not a dictator, but political dissent and criticism of his government are not exactly encouraged. It may not be Cuba or China, but his country is hardly a shining beacon of free and open goverment.

Perhaps.

But this demonization is out of all proportion to what he or his government are actually doing - most of which is far less worrying than regimes we are happy to buddy up with.

It's just Bush picking pointless fights with the wrong guy again. Going to war to spread democracy in some places yet attacking it's results in others.

**cj001f** · 09-21-2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Tippster

Didn't you get the memo? I'm sure they sent out a memo....

They still do? The Gotti administration has a longer paper trail than W

**Tippster** · 09-21-2006, 10:31 AM

Last I checked Bush wasn't the one trying to pick a fight with Chavez.

**Dantheman** · 09-21-2006, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by cj001f

When'd that become a requirement for the US?

Never said it was, just noting that the moral high ground claimed by both sides is a joke.

**cj001f** · 09-21-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Never said it was, just noting that the moral high ground claimed by both sides is a joke.

I think of most Latin America politicians as jokes. The US ones are rushing to join them in buffoonery.

**Cono Este** · 09-21-2006, 10:54 AM

Definetly not on the same level, but, Michelle Bachelet, president of Chile, rang the bell at the NYSE today. She did'nt look very happy, but what do you expect from a socialist?

**PNWbrit** · 09-21-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Tippster

Last I checked Bush wasn't the one trying to pick a fight with Chavez.

Plenty of credible evidence to suggest W was bollocks deep in the 2002 coup attempt....unless you choose to accept U.S. denials at face value.

If they didn't pick the fight they certainly escalated it?

**shamrockpow** · 09-21-2006, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by rideit

I have done portions in the region...what are you doing in April?
(that is where I am probably doing my next tour....)

Restaurant wise....oh ,man, I can't believe you say that. I have friends who own a number of places in MiraFlores, Barranco, and San Isidro...
Google La Gloria, Arugula, Asti Y Gaston,http://www.astridygaston.com/ oh man...and lots in Larco Mar, good gawd, GREAT food. Come down again, I can show you an unbelievable array of the best in the world. Truly. And as to the Pisco, the 'best' is pretty much private reserve stuff. The exceptional product, (like much of the finest in Peru) is only available by invite only....but such is the reality of this stratified economic culture.

La Mar and T´anta are Gaston´s more downscale options and have served me some of the best meals I´ve ever had. There is also a great new Causa place across the street from La Mar (and usually I don´t even like Causa). Segundo Muelle is the safest choice for ceviche, but there are some really great options in more out of the way spots like Magdellena del Mar...

Pisco en Lima, no good. Go to Ica. Free for all on what gets labelled "private stock" at prices 50-90% cheaper.

Originally Posted by Cono Este

Definetly not on the same level, but, Michelle Bachelet, president of Chile, rang the bell at the NYSE today. She did'nt look very happy, but what do you expect from a socialist?

Social Democrat != Socialist

**Cono Este** · 09-21-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Plenty of credible evidence to suggest W was bollocks deep in the 2002 coup attempt....unless you choose to accept U.S. denials at face value.

If they didn't pick the fight they certainly escalated it?

Care to back that up with some facts?

**PNWbrit** · 09-21-2006, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

Care to back that up with some facts?

You know where to look and I know you don't trust U.S. denials of it's illicit involvement.

**rideit** · 09-21-2006, 12:30 PM

Sham, are you still living in Ica?

MMM...Causa....

Have you been to my friend's restaurant in Chincha?
You know...that upscale place right in the Grifa....

**shamrockpow** · 09-21-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by rideit

Sham, are you still living in Ica?

MMM...Causa....

Have you been to my friend's restaurant in Chincha?
You know...that upscale place right in the Grifa....

Project in Ica is in transition mode and so am i... New address will probably be Lima (till New Year at least).

Have not been to grifa/gourmet restaurant, but if it´s on the Panamericana i´ve passed it at least 20 times. got a name?

**BeanDip4All** · 09-21-2006, 01:56 PM

From Rep Rangle as stated on the Drudge Report:

AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS...

'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...

Think he knows that the 1st amendment applies to anyone with a temporary visa?

**Tuckerman** · 09-21-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by TacomaLuv

From Rep Rangle as stated on the Drudge Report:

AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS...

Think he knows that the 1st amendment applies to anyone with a temporary visa?

I'M not a big fan of Rep Rangle but I do like the fact that he is bitch slappin Chavez. The same way as if I were to get into a fight with my brother and some dood comes over to my house and calls my bro a dick or something then it's a fight. Or if I'm not happy with my mom and someone calls her a bitch. Only Americans get to call the Pres a moron or a devil.

**PNWbrit** · 09-21-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by TacomaLuv

From Rep Rangle as stated on the Drudge Report:

AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS...

Rep Rangle needs a kick in the nuts

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

Only Americans get to call the Pres a moron or a devil.

That's going to be news to the majority of people on the planet

**CUBUCK** · 09-21-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by TacomaLuv

From Rep Rangle as stated on the Drudge Report:

AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS...

Think he knows that the 1st amendment applies to anyone with a temporary visa?

Its not a first amendment issue, more a common courtesy.........

He is just trying to help Dem's cover their asses as some of what Chavez is saying sounds very similar to what dem leadership as been saying for the last for years. Rangel and Dem leadership would rather the US voting public did not align the democratic party with a guy like Chavez.

**rideit** · 09-21-2006, 02:12 PM

Bullshit. Anyone is free to call him whatever they like, anytime.
Freedom of speech is a global concept.

That being said, Bush is a fucktard of the highest order.

**cj001f** · 09-21-2006, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by rideit

Bullshit. Anyone is free to call him whatever they like, anytime.
Freedom of speech is a global concept.

Exactly.

It's not like we don't get hyperbolic over people who've tried to attack us.

**Tuckerman** · 09-21-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by CUBUCK

Its not a first amendment issue, more a common courtesy.........

Well put.

**PNWbrit** · 09-21-2006, 02:52 PM

Hugo should be asked to host the daily show when John Stewart is on vacation:

"He walks like this cowboy John Wayne," said Chavez. "He doesn't have the slightest idea of politics. He got where he is because he is the son of his father. He was an alcoholic, an ex-alcoholic. He's a sick man, full of complexes, but very dangerous now because he has a lot of power."

Chavez called Bush a "menace" and a "threat against life on the planet."

In the United States, rich people are getting richer, and poor people are getting poorer, he said. "That's not a democracy; that's a tyranny."

Great stuff Chav! Keep it coming and please include some remarks about Cheney and Rumsfeld.

**Tippster** · 09-21-2006, 04:01 PM

...and how communism really was misunderstood and how Castro is the mang and Che is a martyr and how great your campesinos now have it and then just shut the hell up and lead your country.

I do not like Bush. He is POTUS, however, and you better respect that. He's MY problem, not yours. I don't like Chirac, but wouldn't call him an ass in front of the UN General assembly.

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