Howard Stern gets owned

[MeatPuppet]

I think you just called me stupid Each to their own, my friend

Hehe

I knew there had to be somebody on here that was paying to hear Howard. Nothing personal, I'm just not a big fan of his. There are plenty of things I spend money on that have my friends shakeing their heads.

[shmerham]

why? undergrad degrees are not really an indicator of intelligence or accomplishment -- or that the individual actually did any work throughout school.

I guess communications from any school; Florida State or Harvard is still communications, but there are some degrees that I do think are pretty good indicators of accomplishment and intelligence. Mechanical engineering at a top engineering school required both. There were a few students who knew how to get around both parts, but for the most part all the students that graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering from my school were both intelligent and hard-working. Freshman year weeded out the smart kids that didn't work. The following years required a good deal of intelligence to do well. You couldn't just work your ass off. Sometimes that wasn't enough.
I also know you can't get out of architecture school without working your butt off.

[upallnight]

I guess communications from any school; Florida State or Harvard is still communications, but there are some degrees that I do think are pretty good indicators of accomplishment and intelligence. Mechanical engineering at a top engineering school required both. There were a few students who knew how to get around both parts, but for the most part all the students that graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering from my school were both intelligent and hard-working. Freshman year weeded out the smart kids that didn't work. The following years required a good deal of intelligence to do well. You couldn't just work your ass off. Sometimes that wasn't enough.
I also know you can't get out of architecture school without working your butt off.

good point. but a BSE is quite different from a BA. the softer skills are easier to fake; harder to fake a trade.

[4matic]

You voted for Bush.

Point taken but Bush to Yale.

[upallnight]

and uan - you can hardly deny a strong correlation between intelligence & accomplishment with better undergrad universities.....

you're right, but it's not a one-to-one correlation, which is my main point.

just because one went to "a good school" does not necessarily prove one's intelligence, but there may be a higher chance of it than had they gone to a different school.

similarly, absence of a degree from one of those schools doesn't mean someone is not intelligent.

i know MANY intelligent people from "great schools", "regular" schools...and those who skipped school altogether.

[Karl Stall]

so, um, you guys aren't going to post in my thread...fine

anyway, my wife won't let me discuss Howard at dinner parties.

I have a friend who works in senior management at Sirius and I recently got a tour of Howard's studio - the company's stock might be a pretty good buy despite the premium that they paid for HS.

Check out the sternfannetwork message board - now that is a fucked up place...

[amatog]

Howard was daring in the early nineties. His schtick is boring now.

However,

MELISSA FRANCIS RULES!!

[iceman]

Stern got his start on the radio here in DC. He was fired after the Air Florida plane crash (the one that hit the 14th St. Bridge and went in hte Potomac in the snow and ice, where like 80 people died and Lenny Skutnick was a hero for a while for jumping in the river to help when no one else would).

Like the next day he called Air Florida reservations on the air and asked when "the next flight to the 14th St. Bridge" was. The person on the other end broke down crying, he got fired but went on to riches. I've always hated that bastard though.

[Dexter Rutecki]

I guess communications from any school; Florida State or Harvard is still communications,

Harvard, along with a lot of other good schools, doesn't offer communications, probably for the reason you're alluding to. I think a lot of good football players have majored in communications, though.

And Howard sort of sucks, although I haven't given him a good listen in many years (heard him briefly a few times at the end of his free radio tenure, pretty stale).
And I think some people here lost track of the fact that he referred to Harvard as a two bit hack college (according to the first post), which is a pretty moronic thing to say (or, more likely, he was just talking out of his ass).

[barney]

I heard Howard talking about the interview. He did say she probably went to a two bit school. Read in a bio that she went to Harvard and then added that she must have had family connections. That is quick thinking on his part if you ask me (also explains the President and Yale). His main points were that the number of hits on the Sirius website have grown and also basing popularity on the number of web searches only is a mite silly. The two guests on the show never said that Howard was done either even though the reporter was asking leading questions to get them to say that.
As for the education arguments, smart and entertaining are not the same, I listen to Howard because he can be both at times(listen to the news and his off the cuff remarks). I know some mechanical engineers and they may be smart but the weeding out proccess does seem to also filter a sense of humor. Communications may be a cheap degree but it is no BA(BS) in recreation from Chico State with a semester internship at your favorite ski area for credit.

[Mofro261]

Communications may be a cheap degree but it is no BA(BS) in recreation from Chico State with a semester internship at your favorite ski area for credit.

From my wife, a senior consultant w/JPMorganChase, whose job has taken her all over the world: CHICO STATE REPRESENT!

[barney]

I think that any school you only get as much edumication as you are willing to put into it. Was your wife a recreation major? Mine was beer drinking, wiffle ball and pick up basketball.

[PaSucks]

From what I've heard, the class work at any undergrad school is about the same. It is the admissions requirements that set the schools apart. Mech. Engineering is hard no matter where you take it, and comm is cake.

Although having to compete for grades with kids at Harvard is certainly harder than at community college.

[upallnight]

I think that any school you only get as much edumication as you are willing to put into it.

this is absolutely true.

i may or may not have attended one of these 'ivy league' schools, and i can testify that what is amazing is the level of resources you have available to you...but whether you take advantage of the resources or not is largely dependent upon the individual.

think of your mindset at 18. having the best resources around you maybe increases the likelihood you'll take advantage of them, but there are plenty of people who didn't. i think it's more a factor of maturity than anything else.

if college were deferred 10 years (i.e., entering @ 28 instead of 18), i'm sure we'd all get a *huge* deal more out of of it.

keep in mind that some schools have prestige for their research. this often means that the undergrads are, comparatively, neglected. professors in these schools focus more on getting published & getting tenure than they do on the quality of their teaching. (sad but true. some of the most caring & best-teaching profs i had failed to get tenure; the ability to convey information to students wasn't a priority for the university.)

[sea2ski]

Harvard, along with a lot of other good schools, doesn't offer communications, probably for the reason you're alluding to. I think a lot of good football players have majored in communications, though.

And Howard sort of sucks, although I haven't given him a good listen in many years (heard him briefly a few times at the end of his free radio tenure, pretty stale).
And I think some people here lost track of the fact that he referred to Harvard as a two bit hack college (according to the first post), which is a pretty moronic thing to say (or, more likely, he was just talking out of his ass).

I think you're confusing "speech communications" with communications. Speech communications is basically public speaking. Communications would cover TV/Radio/Film/Journalism schools. Harvard offers a PHD in Mass Communications since I had a professor who had one of those degrees.

[Rasputin]

this is absolutely true.

i may or may not have attended one of these 'ivy league' schools, and i can testify that what is amazing is the level of resources you have available to you...but whether you take advantage of the resources or not is largely dependent upon the individual.

think of your mindset at 18. having the best resources around you maybe increases the likelihood you'll take advantage of them, but there are plenty of people who didn't. i think it's more a factor of maturity than anything else.

if college were deferred 10 years (i.e., entering @ 28 instead of 18), i'm sure we'd all get a *huge* deal more out of of it.

keep in mind that some schools have prestige for their research. this often means that the undergrads are, comparatively, neglected. professors in these schools focus more on getting published & getting tenure than they do on the quality of their teaching. (sad but true. some of the most caring & best-teaching profs i had failed to get tenure; the ability to convey information to students wasn't a priority for the university.)

Apparently, said "Ivy League" schools, didn't encourage the use of capital letters.

[4matic]

The King of all self promotion is returning to free radio.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...770B39A471E%7D

[pappag]

Howard's been played out since '96.