Goode vs. dp skis

[Huckwheat]

How about the new Armada ARG's. They've got to be lighter that spats and come in a 185.

Still big though.....Spats are a 186 too.

My wife's daily driver is a 180 Explosive......but for pow and trees, and getting into the 130 plus category, I think she needs smaller. The specs on the Goode 173 actually sound perfect (173 cm length, 145-142-139).....or the Lotus 138 in similar length would be IT.

[Jumper Bones]

We're forgetting the most important detail here - since when does a sub-100 post JONG (Archie) get to sling shit to another JONG?

Sweet thing about the ARGs - you're going to end up with a totally custom topsheet, since the one the skis come with is so fucking ugly you'll be forced to do something about it. Rad!!!

[hemas]

Didn't Capital do a smaller reverse sidecut & rev camber ski as well.

[Arty50]

Didn't Capital do a smaller reverse sidecut & rev camber ski as well.

Yeah, don't forget about the Capital G-Funks.

http://www.capitalskis.com/shapes.asp

G-Funkenstein
Length tip waist tail Price*
180cm 155mm 162mm 132mm $950 CAD

G-Funkenstein Lite
Length tip waist tail Price*
170cm 127mm 135mm 104mm $850 CAD

One big problem is they're supposedly not taking any more orders for 06-07.

[Huckwheat]

G-Funkenstein Lite
Length tip waist tail Price*
170cm 127mm 135mm 104mm $850 CAD

Now that is what I am talking about. Shame that they are sold out.

From web page:

News

July 17, 2006:

:: Sold out! Due to overwhelming demand, production capacity has been met in record time and Capital is no longer taking orders for the winter 2006/2007 season.

[freshie247]

I meet SD at a buddy's shop here in Boulder, he's a good guy,stick with the home team.

[splat]

Got a call from Greg Funk of Capital Skis the other day.
He's not sure how many skis he'll make this year. He's making bank working in the AB oilfields these days and really wants to compete more on the circuit while he's young enough to give 'er.

[Tri-Ungulate]

Irie, sounds like you've seen the old threads, and now know the, uh, scoop on Goode. After reading the soap opera that was drake*boinay, you prolly now realize that Goode is perhaps less-than-good as a business partner. That's all water under the bridge, and Stephan remains a good guy putting out great designs nowadays, so I'll add my vote to the crowd endorsing him.

I will add that I have a pair of Wailers, though they are actually the old design, and therefore more similar to the Goode 95, now that Goode has the molds on Drake and Boinay's original designs. I do love the skis, for their power, stability at speed, stiffness (they're the stiff flex) and light weight. They're also great for touring, being fantastically light, though they're not as quite as light as Goode advertises. It's pretty well established that Goode's advertised weights are overly optimistic, based on actual weights taken by many people, including shop owners who carry his skis.

As for snapping skis, both Goodes and drake*boinays (contracted by Goode at the time) had durability problems after production was moved to China, at least in the early stages. There definitely were several bad batches of skis made, due to the complicated nature of the carbon fiber layup process not being mastered in the early runs, and quality control issues were a large part of why db went under. My Wailers actually replaced a pair of Surreals (essentially the same ski) that I snapped in half doing regular everyday skiing at Kookwood. I already suspected the Surreal that broke was one from the bad batches as I'd ripped out a binding earlier in the season. So far my Wailers are holding tough, and I'm crossing my fingers that they were laid up correctly, but count me as another who encountered a problem with the Goode-produced skis.

I should add here that Stephan was more than generous in trying to do right by me after my Surreals broke, despite the fact his company had recently separated from Goode, and he was struggling to get dp off the ground in the aftermath. Not wishing to further tax Stephan's small startup business, I approached Goode about replacing the broken ski - long story short, I ended up buying the Wailers (though at a discount) from Goode (from his lefover stock), as he wouldn't commit to a full guarantee for a ski that broke due to poor manufacturing on his company's part.

I also have a pair of Tabla Rasas from the original year (where the carbon fiber was laid up meticulously as the company was just getting started and production runs were small). They've been completely and totally bomber through a lot of abuse, so I know the carbon fiber design itself is solid, so long as the quality control is there. Since breakage was a key problem in the past, I am certain that Stephan is making every effort to make sure it will not haunt the skis in the future, and the switch to wood sandwich core was almost certainly part of this process. I haven't skied on the new woodcore version of the Wailer, though I believe Stephan who considers them actually better skis.

[upallnight]

Until I read the new Powder I had never heard of Goode skis either (even though I hang here alot). Glad this thread came up.

Here is my problem though......Britney is the one who needs sweet powder skis, but no one (DB, included) makes a small alternative ski (reverse cam/rev side cut). She rips on the Spats but they wear her out, being too huge and heavy.

That was what got me thinking about Goodes (173).....but if they arent a good company, then what. Pontoons in a 179 are my only choice?

hey, huck...
the spats are big & heavy, but since so much weight is under the foot, the swing weight is fairly low (as i'm sure you and britney know already).

anyway, i'm thinking a ski a similar length (185-ish) but of lighter material than the Spat could do it. Sounds like the ARG might be that ski. The 138 is waaaay lighter than a Spat (3-4#), but the extra length (it sounds) might be too much.

you could go with a dp Lotus 120 -- which comes in a 178. dimensions are 140/120/125 (unless they've tweaked it this year), and they weight much lighter than a Spat (and probably way lighter than a Pontoon, too). Worth looking at, particularly considering the generally undistinguished Pontoon reviews (in terms of performance + durability).

i think the 120 is an itneresting shape...so much so that i'm going to try one of those AND a 138 (and some Bros, too). yikes.

good luck!

[Archie]

We're forgetting the most important detail here - since when does a sub-100 post JONG (Archie) get to sling shit to another JONG?

Goddamn grunts, kickin' the shit outta him... 'Maggot' this... 'Maggot' that... Kid don't stand a chance.


Watch the movie, Jong. It will do you some good.

[Jumper Bones]

what the fuck, kludart.

clearly you have no comprehension of what a JONG is.

fuck off and die.

kisses,

jumper

edit - did you call me jong because of the jonger in the avatar? if so, that's clever.

[Huckwheat]

you could go with a dp Lotus 120 -- which comes in a 178. dimensions are 140/120/125 (unless they've tweaked it this year), and they weight much lighter than a Spat (and probably way lighter than a Pontoon, too). Worth looking at, particularly considering the generally undistinguished Pontoon reviews (in terms of performance + durability).

Thanks for that info.....I was studying them both last year, but didnt know that fact.

Shit, the 120 vs 138 is a really tough call (for me now....not Britney). Not that I can afford two, but I really dont know what I would choose.

So, Dp Lotus's arent sold out??

[upallnight]

Thanks for that info.....I was studying them both last year, but didnt know that fact.

Shit, the 120 vs 138 is a really tough call (for me now....not Britney). Not that I can afford two, but I really dont know what I would choose.

So, Dp Lotus's arent sold out??

i couldn't decide...so i went for both. maybe that means i'll be selling one during the winter...or not.

i don't know if they're sold out or not. they were taking reservations since the end of last seaon (i put mine in in late april or so). i think they now require a deposit, but at that time they didn't. perhaps that means that some folks who did a "heck, if it doesn't cost anything i'll just reserve 'em" will back out.

there are no indications right now that they are sold out.

rob AT dpskis.com was very helpful to me. ping him to get the real status.

it IS a tough call between the 138s & 120s. Could you commandeer Britney's Spats (if she does get something else)? If so, then maybe the 120 (different shape) is the way to go. Either way, it's a good dilemma.

[liberman]

As Western manager of DPS, I wanted to chime in with my first post in a while. We are ramping up for a great season (while some of you are enjoying one down South) and I wanted to extend an invitation to any and all of you to ask me all the questions you may have about our skis. rob AT dpskis.com as noted earlier. Stephan is in China overseeing production so that everything happens to his level of perfectionism.

As the peaks have been dusted by snow lately, I am becoming increasingly psyched for the winter. Just a couple of short months off. Train hard.

[marshalolson]

As Western manager of DPS, I wanted to chime in with my first post in a while. We are ramping up for a great season (while some of you are enjoying one down South) and I wanted to extend an invitation to any and all of you to ask me all the questions you may have about our skis. rob AT dpskis.com as noted earlier. Stephan is in China overseeing production so that everything happens to his level of perfectionism.

As the peaks have been dusted by snow lately, I am becoming increasingly psyched for the winter. Just a couple of short months off. Train hard.

what up. good to see you again......

[upallnight]

cool, rob!

thanks for the update. any more precise ETA on the skis? i'm jonesin' for 'em....

also, if i happen to be around boulder when the skis arrive, could i pick 'em up & save some $$ (or are they directly shipped from overseas) -- or is that too much trouble?

[summit]

Thanks guys for the replies.

I just did an archives search on the topic, and now I look like Martin Sheen in the opening scene from Apocalypse Now.

At one point I was reading about Hexcel Honeycombs and copyright infringement while totally covered in vomit.

Free Carbon Fiber!

This guy is funny. He'll be a good maggot addition.

ARG topsheet is beyond fugly... whatever punk decided plaid was back needs to be dragged out into the street and shot

[liberman]

Upallnight, Local pick ups are ok. I don't have a more precise eta, but email me and I will keep you updated.