OH NO Landis Positive drug test?

[peterslovo]

Floyd is apparently in the process of giving a news conference about the issue at a Spanish press conference. Started at 11:30 EST but I don't know if it is being televised. Guess we'll see what he's got to say shortly.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/o...orts-headlines

I must say looking back on how much he mentioned beer in the several interviews after his bonk and then his big stage win, I am a bit suspect. Was that just something he was planting to the press just in case he was caught with higher testosterone levels because he did dope that day? Dunno. Hope not.

[f2f]

cnn headline news has it live.

"admitted to taking hormones for a thyroidal problem and said that his tests have always been high"

"this is what we're going to do: i ask first that the case not be treated as a doping case, second: that in the same way every other sportsman has done, i will undergo all tests necessary to prove that the high levels are normal for my organism; thirdly, until the research has completed i ask that i not be treated as guilty and i declare [essentially that he's clean]"

you'll get better quotes in a few minutes on google news, i'm sure.

[peterslovo]

sweet thanks.
wow, everyone has it live now. CNN, MSNBC, etc.

[Crinkle]

YUP, live on ESPN

[Long Duck Dong]

It's on a delay on ESPN.

[Woodsy]

thts the problem with any tests none of these guys are normal
and glad the daebate goes on here after its dropped by the ADDers on the main forum

[vinnay]

what if they just got full tests run once a month, just as part of being a pro?

if the riders really wanted to ensure the public that they were serious about doping, i think theyd stop whining about their privacy and agree to something like this.

also, landis is now claiming that he just has naturally high levels of T, but then why didnt he test positive any of the other days he was in yellow? do they compare the failed test to the other results to see if it was even close?

[smmokan]

Could the levels of testosterone be so high on his stage win because of the amount of physical exertion put out by his body that day? However, since his T levels weren't abnormally high- just his epi-T levels were low- I wonder how that plays into things. Either way, I hope all of it is a false alarm.

[MassLiberal]

I think this is the 1000000000000000th time this has been mentioned, but his testosterone levels were not high, it was the ratio that was off.

[Squatch]

I wonder when we'll know the results from the B sample.

[lph]

I think this is the 1000000000000000th time this has been mentioned, but his testosterone levels were not high, it was the ratio that was off.

do you have the actual numbers? cause even Floyd is saying he has naturally 'high' levels of testosterone?

I have a feeling this is a pretty minor point, but some more clarification might help.

[burny]

as far as i remember a normal testo rate is about 1:3 … a high one is at 1:5 and Floyd was tested with something 1:9 what is far off the normal scale.

Just some info from Germany, the news around here have statements from some hormone doctor as well as from some sports doc, they say in unisono: "floyds results very strongly imply doping, his 17th stage win can't be explained otherwise."
The next sentece was like: "all tour winners of the past 20 years were doped"

one thing i belive is really funny: when Lance was accused of doping in 99 because of some unnatural testing his "excuse" was:"i used some butt cream that must have contained the hormones"
(sorry, i dont know the right word for "Gesäßcreme", the stuff you put on youre butt in ordern not to get blisters and stuff if you ride for a longer time.

[cj001f]

So whats the time & cost required for testing these samples?

[kidwoo]

I'm so down with EPO chamois butter.

[Tri-Ungulate]

So whats the time & cost required for testing these samples?

depends. The mass spec itself is relatively fast, though prep time making sure of sample integrity and controls are prolly important.

[train07]

do you have the actual numbers?

I was wondering this too, cause I think 1000000000000000th time might be a little high

[lph]

I'm so down with EPO chamois butter.

Me too!!! I actually spread the stuff on some toast before any big ride, works great!

[Plakespear]

one thing i belive is really funny: when Lance was accused of doping in 99 because of some unnatural testing his "excuse" was:"i used some butt cream that must have contained the hormones"

Actually, this is probably true. The hydrocortisone cream that I buy at Rite-Aid for saddle sore relief would probably cause me to fail a doping test. As would other products available over the counter.

One of my primary reasons for believeng in Landis' "innocence" is that I just do not see him taking a shot of testosterone prior to stage 17. Where is the logic in that? If it worked, they knew that they were going to be tested anyway. It just does not seem rational. Keep in mind Landis was tested at Paris-Nice, and was probably tested at California and Georgia. We know the reullts of those tests were clean.

When the most recent scandal developed regarding the leaked EPO test results, I questioned the ethics of the testors, as well as the athletes. This is another case of bad ethics. Test resultls ahould not be leaked. The false positives CAN happen. That is the reason for the B-samples. It is generally accepted amongst the scientific community that the odds of two false positives from the same sample are so low that they are virtually impossible. The lab that has leaked this data has lost credibility. WADA needs an independent audit, as well.

[lph]

Actually, this is probably true. The hydrocortisone cream that I buy at Rite-Aid for saddle sore relief would probably cause me to fail a doping test. As would other products available over the counter.

Nope. No way.

1) hydrocortisone is not an anabolic steroid, but a corticosteroid. The two do not show up on the same tests.

2) corticosteroids might very well mess up your bodies hormone levels when injected IV or intraarticular, but there is no way a lo dose cream could.

(frankly, although powerful, I doubt Intraarticular corticosteroids would mess with his thyroid) I have done hundreds of spinal and joint injections of hi dose corticosteroids and have never heard nor read of that being one of the side effects.

[Long Duck Dong]

From a Yahoo article:

In a veiled reference to seven-time winner Lance Armstrong, long dogged by doping allegations, LeMond added: "I hope that (Landis) won't do what another American did: Deny, deny, deny."

What a douchebag. He has never been able to handle Armstrong's success.

[irul&ublo]

There are some things here which make no sense:

1. His previous tests did not show a problem.

2. From what I read, taking testoterone that day would have no effect, so why do it?

3. I read some quotes from trainers who say that testosterone, which builds muscle mass, is the last thing you would take to do the TDF, especially right before or during the race.

4. The testosterone level itself, as opposed to the testosterone/epi ratio, was within normal ranges.


Should be interesting. At the very least we'll get to laugh at a guy whose name is Dick Pound

[grskier]

I was always under the impression that T treatment wasn't like something you could just do in a day...

[TeleAl]

Me too!!! I actually spread the stuff on some toast before any big ride, works great!

Let me get this straight, you then use the lathered toast in place of the chamois.

Do you eat it after or during your ride?

[Orange Julius]

Not sure if this has been mentioned here before, but here is an interesting article about what it's like to take some of these drugs and how they improve your performance, buy an author who was paid by Outside to take them for awhile and report about it:

http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html

Long, but worth the read.

[burny]

There are some things here which make no sense:

1. His previous tests did not show a problem.

2. From what I read, taking testoterone that day would have no effect, so why do it?

3. I read some quotes from trainers who say that testosterone, which builds muscle mass, is the last thing you would take to do the TDF, especially right before or during the race.

4. The testosterone level itself, as opposed to the testosterone/epi ratio, was within normal ranges.


Should be interesting. At the very least we'll get to laugh at a guy whose name is Dick Pound

1. thats what is really interresting … noone can explain that …
2. thats wrong, testo does help youre muscles to recover much quicker and it causes a click in youre head to push youre limits further, i have no idea how this works but it does, even if you just get one injection.
3. why not … as far as i know testo is within the general use during training period, cyclists however dont take near as much as bodybuilders.
4. i researched and the results are: normal testo/epiT level is 1:1 a high one is 1:2 officially accepted along the wada tests is a 1:4 what seem to be stupid high (you would loose all youre hair and walk around like hulk), landis was tested with 1:11 what cant be explained by a couple of beers or a malfunktion in some organe. its just too high. i think, maybe the testers (and its really poor of them to let out landis name before the bprobe was taken and analysed) did something wrong (its just a extremely high testo/epi level), or landis just made a mistake with his doping mix.
Lets see what the B-probe will say.

the link orange posted has been postet before, but many of my infos come from that article, its worth reading …