Sir if you don't buy something then you must leave

[TJ.Brk]

ALL HAIL PINNER. THE SKI ELITEST THAT BELIEVES NOBODY SHOULD ALLOWED TO GET WARM WITH THE PURCHASE OF THAT $70 LIFT TICKET. HAIL PINNER

[Ski Monkey]

Does anyone else feel like part of this thread got deleted? I swear I posted this earlier....but didn't you become a paying customer to the mountain when you bought a season pass?

[summit]

WTG Pinner
delete those posts!

[Pinner]

Fuck you. It was one post, entirely without context since the rest of this thread disappeared.

[Snow Dog]

Originally posted by Ski Monkey
Does anyone else feel like part of this thread got deleted? I swear I posted this earlier....but didn't you become a paying customer to the mountain when you bought a season pass?

I had an incredible insight into TJs dilemma and how to acheive peace on Earth and something about pollution free renewable energy for free but it's all gone now.

[TJ.Brk]

Originally posted by Pinner
Fuck you. It was one post, entirely without context since the rest of this thread disappeared.

Pinner relax. Everybody in here knows that 99% of all of your posts are tongue and cheek remarks. I was giving you back one incase you didn't see the rolleyes emotican. I suggest that maybe you take some of your own chill medicine that you give to everyone else, when they replied with stress to one of the posts you post to them. And why delete your post's man. You didn't need too.

[phUnk]

Note: A bunch of replies to a lot of busy threads (and possibly even some new threads) got lost when the server's harddisk crapped out and ONS had to start from scratch from a backup that was a few hours hold.

That's why it seems like some threads got sent back in time a few hours.

[Alkasquawlik]

Yeah Intrawest fucks. They took away the 'Extreme Benches' where we used to shout and claim how rad we got that day. They took the bench away so we'd sit inside and buy crap.

Good news for all you Intrawest haters, they've lost an ass load of money on the Village in Squaw Valley and are trying to find a way to pull out.

[TJ.Brk]

Originally posted by Alkasquawlik
Good news for all you Intrawest haters, they've lost an ass load of money on the Village in Squaw Valley and are trying to find a way to pull out.

To be honest I'm kinda torn on this issue. If Intrawest would have done things right instead of being greedy bastards, then they could have done great things. However, because of said actions on their part they are losing customers. And that is causing loss of jobs and economic prosperity to the areas they are involved in. Every local business here is praying that they leave soon. (now there is alot to this. When Intrawest took over Tremblant from the Quebec Gov't, they got alot of tax breaks, and the municipality paid for most of the water and electical. That is coming to an end now. Intrawest will have to start to share their part of the municipal tax burden)

Now they backed out of the "La Soleil" village development here as well (after it was discovered that they submitted a fraudulant enviormental study that was for a parcel of land 20 miles away from the resort). It would double the amount of cost for the new village with a correct study, and what that study could possibly reveal. They have alot of debt, so they dropped the whole planned village. 1.3Billion bucks is alot of debt, no matter what kind of creative Eron accounting you do with it.

But mostly because of their poor business practices/customer service the local economy is the one that is suffering. And that's what sucks most of all.

[Tippster]

Yep.. IntraWest is evil as shit...

Yet they built W/B and Tremblant and Copper and Snowshoe (etc. etc.) into what they are today. Go figure...

If you haven't figured out that skiing is a business, not a lifestyle, then you're sadly out of touch, and I'd like to sell you some "Dolphin Safe" Tuna.

The reason why local or family run ski-resorts are around is because they're praying they'll be bought out by IntraWest, VA, or someone else. Hey, it saved Crystal Mtn, and it might just save your hill next.

[Plakespear]

Originally posted by Tippster
If you haven't figured out that skiing is a business, not a lifestyle, then you're sadly out of touch.

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[Snow Dog]

Originally posted by TJ.Brk
To be honest I'm kinda torn on this issue. If Intrawest would have done things right instead of being greedy bastards, then they could have done great things. However, because of said actions on their part they are losing customers. And that is causing loss of jobs and economic prosperity to the areas they are involved in. Every local business here is praying that they leave soon. (now there is alot to this. When Intrawest took over Tremblant from the Quebec Gov't, they got alot of tax breaks, and the municipality paid for most of the water and electical. That is coming to an end now. Intrawest will have to start to share their part of the municipal tax burden)

Now they backed out of the "La Soleil" village development here as well (after it was discovered that they submitted a fraudulant enviormental study that was for a parcel of land 20 miles away from the resort). It would double the amount of cost for the new village with a correct study, and what that study could possibly reveal. They have alot of debt, so they dropped the whole planned village. 1.3Billion bucks is alot of debt, no matter what kind of creative Eron accounting you do with it.

But mostly because of their poor business practices/customer service the local economy is the one that is suffering. And that's what sucks most of all.

My only experience with Intrawest is Whistler-Blackcomb. There the cafeteria is the cafeteria. Brown bag it if you want, buy food if you want, the water's free and there are microwaves to heat you lunch. You're spending $68-$71 to get hauled up the mountain so if you want to sit inside and read the paper while the wind blows then that's ok. I don't know why Tremblant has issues; maybe Whistler's lucky because Intrawest is constrained by the Municipality of Whistler.

[iskibc]

When I'm at the resort I never use the lodge. Hate the lodge. If I wanted to pay $3 for bottled water, get bumped by every idiot that walks by, listen to little spoiled kids whine and argue with their parents, etc. I would just drive to the closest mall for a couple hours. I go to the mountain to get away from it all. The less time I have to deal with idiots, the better my day.

[Arnold Pants]

While I am not YourAttorney, I would bet that the b**ch in the lodge was wrong, because if you were to have gone outside and gotten frostbite, you probably could have sued and won a nice chunk of change - and while Intrawest might not know jack about skiing, they seem like the type of outfit to have sharp lawyers.

Either way, they suck.

[DINMS]

If this shit starts happening at Whistler I'm going to pissed. That is bullshit. Bullshit. By the way, if you want water buy a case of it at the grocery store for 3 bucks. That is not hard people.

[iskibc]

Originally posted by DINMS
By the way, if you want water buy a case of it at the grocery store for 3 bucks. That is not hard people.

And once again the boy proves he is indeed a genius!

[MacDaddy]

Originally posted by TJ.Brk


Intrawest worker: Sir are you going to buy anything?

Me: No, I'm just warming up. I can't feel my face as I'm sure you can tell by the way I'm talking.

Intrawest worker: Sir you have to buy something or you will have to leave.

Me: You've got to be kidding me. Is there a cover charge to get warm at the lodge now. Is Intrawest that strapped for cash they are going to charge customers to get warm.

Intrawest worker: No sir we are not charging you to get warm. That is why we have the fire going. But you have to buy something or leave.

Me: (at this point I'm completely befuddled at this womans bullshit). That is pretty pathetic. It is a cover charge. If I have to leave then I want you to go to every person and make sure they bought something (I'm speaking loud at this point, but not yelling, and not showing any anger. But kinda condesending). Make sure they have a reciept to prove that they purchased something. And if they haven't, then kick them out in the cold like you are doing me.

Intrawest worker: Sir we are not kicking you out. But you do have to buy something, or you will have to leave (It is a huge lodge, and there were maybe 30 people in it, and I've been there a whole 5 minutes maybe)

are you sure you weren't in a episode of "boiling point"?

your post pissed me off. I would have taken that story to a manager or intrawest management

[gincognito]

Here's what I know about the lodge in question (note: I will be making assumptions and I fully expect to be corrected by Mr. Burke):

There's an upstairs and a downstairs. Both have cafeterias, but the upstairs one is noticably "swankier." Technically neither of them allow brown bagging it, but I've never had a problem "getting away with it." Usually I'll commit my crime downstairs, but I have dared to open the bag upstairs as well (note: I am far from a frequent visitor).

Upstairs there is a small section of the eating area near the bar that houses a fireplace. I've always understood this to be part of the bar or, at least, for the bar patrons. I'm assuming this is where the offence took place. I'm also assuming that the employee in question was asking you to leave the fireplace area, not the lodge itself. I have a hard time believing that they would not have let you have a seat somewhere else in the lodge, be it upstairs or down.

In any case, as someone stated, disagreements with policy are always best discussed with people who can change them.

Sick and ashamed and happy (and, on the other hand, mindlessly obedient staff members could also use a little jolt every now and then),
d.

[grrrr]

Originally posted by Tippster
The reason why local or family run ski-resorts are around is because they're praying they'll be bought out by IntraWest, VA, or someone else. Hey, it saved Crystal Mtn, and it might just save your hill next.

May be true in some cases, but certainly not in all. Mission ridge was just bought from Harbor Properties (McCaw) by locals. It makes money, they plan to expand and to continue running it as a local hill.

Baker is successful, it is not on the block, and it would never be a target for Intrawest. It has no expansion potential, no real estate, no condos to sell. Their business model works, but it will never generate the return that Intrawest wants.

[cj001f]

Originally posted by grrrr
Their business model works, but it will never generate the return that Intrawest wants.

The question begs, is there ANY area that can generate the return Intrawest wants over the long term?

[Snow Dog]

Originally posted by grrrr
Baker is successful, it is not on the block, and it would never be a target for Intrawest. It has no expansion potential, no real estate, no condos to sell. Their business model works, but it will never generate the return that Intrawest wants.

Baker's problem (from talking to one of the managers) is electricity -- they have to make their own. They can't bring in power via overhead lines because of the trees and snow and going underground requires 30+ stream crossing, each of which requires an environmental impact study.

If they could get power at a reasonable cost the n they would build out like everyone else.