Top Boxer vs. Top UFC Fighter?

[StuntCok]

Similar question, and one that's been bothering me and my friends for quite some time...

Bruce Lee versus Mohammed Ali

...discuss.

What has been bothering me is Batman vs. Spiderman.

[iceman]

Spiderman all the way.

Okay, I have a new question now: Who wins, UFC against WWE?

[MeatPuppet]

What has been bothering me is Batman vs. Spiderman.

The whole, ninja vs pirates question leaves my head spinning every time I try to think about it...kind of like the Scotch I'm drinking...

[Arty50]

I'd doubt anyone in boxing would last 1/2 a round with Arlovski.

Unless of course he fights like he did on Saturday. That was some of the worst fucking boxing I've ever seen. Butterbean would have knocked his ass out.

The one thing that strikes me about UFC is that no one seems especially quick. These guys are very good at what they do, but it seems like the athletic talent isn't what it could be.

[PaSucks]

Doea anybody really believe that the guys you see on UFC would have stood a chance in a no-holds-bared type of fitght against Tyson in his prime? or Lenox Lewis or Evander Holyfield in his prime? I'm sorry, those guys would beat any UFC/Kickboxer/whatever in the world in a fight were punches are thrown. They are too fast and athletic for anybody but the best pure wrestlers to get inside, and even then, I think they land something, especially tyson, who's compact size made fighting inside much more dangerous for his opponent. Now, if you take an elite athlete like Tyson or Lewis and trained them to fight a UFC style fight, they may beat themselves as just boxers, but the best athletes gravitate to the money and the fame, which is still in boxing, although I bet in ten or so years it's a different debate.

[iceman]

That's been exactly my point, Pa, but nobody agrees with us. Oh well.

[lemon boy]

that's because both of you are flat fucking wrong. Maybe you should watch a couple of UFC fights.

[Brocktoon]

If you can get your hands on it, watch the movie "Choke":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630...v=glance&n=130

It's a profile on Rickson Gracie (pronounced "Hickson") as he goes to compete in the 1995 Vale Tudo World Fighting Championships in Tokyo and it is absolutely fascinating.

[Brocktoon]

What has been bothering me is Batman vs. Spiderman.

Spiderman, everytime. He has the proportional speed and strength of a spider (he can lift/press approximately 10 tons) and can extrasensorily detect danger. Batman is just a normal (albeit gnarly) dude with a bunch of gear. Where you been, man?

[PaSucks]

I have also seen the point made the the UFC guys are a little bit crazy and that would help give them an edge, which I agree with to an extent, but nobody is crazier than Tyson, lest we forget the cannibalism, and the thread he made to Lenox Lewis: "I'll eat your kids."



And LB, I've seen some UFC fights.

[WWCD]

Okay, I have a new question now: Who wins, UFC against WWE?

Clearly UFC.

UFC > boxing, Rocky beat Hulk Hogan (in his prime), therefore UFC > WWE.

[lemon boy]

And LB, I've seen some UFC fights.

then how can you deny? :shrug: tyson would get ass raped by Rickson Gracie

[powder11]

then how can you deny? :shrug: tyson would get ass raped by Rickson Gracie

is that before or after he bites his nuts off? in a no holds bar fight, (in his prime) Tyson would KILL just about anyone. prizefighters come from the street, they know how to brawl.

[iceman]

Clearly UFC.

UFC > boxing, Rocky beat Hulk Hogan (in his prime), therefore UFC > WWE.

Are they allowed to use folding chairs as weapons or not?

[ill-advised strategy]

racers in bumps

high comedy!

a rare treat indeed.

[Will]

Spiderman, everytime. He has the proportional speed and strength of a spider (he can lift/press approximately 10 tons) and can extrasensorily detect danger. Batman is just a normal (albeit gnarly) dude with a bunch of gear. Where you been, man?

Spiderman should win; but these things tend to be determined by readers votes and such. Which is why Wolverine beat Lobo in that Marvel vs. DC thingy about 10 years back.

I mean, I love Wolverine, but Lobo is an interstellar bounty hunter (or something, not really a fan) who can go toe to toe with Superman. That Canadian midget shouldn't have stood a chance.

So Spiderman should win. But if Batman had a pissload of time to prepare, if he "hunted" Spidey, well then maybe Bruce could get the drop on Peter. After all, in one of his early appearances The Punisher, who's just human, did actually manage to shoot Spidey (with a rubber bullet, Frank didn't want to kill an innocent like Spidey, he just wanted him out of the way).

[f2f]

found this here:

Traditional boxing stars at the K-1 tournament
Late in 2003, Bob Sapp challenged Mike Tyson, the former world Heavyweight boxing champion, to a K-1 fight. While Tyson did not accept the offer immediately, he signed with K-1 to be his official Japanese representation on August 23, 2003. A deal to actually fight in K-1 never materialized. In early 2006 another rumour of the re-schedule of this match in August 2006 has been released by the press and had been confirmed by Bob Sapp in an interview. For that reason he also turned down the role for the upcoming movie Bloodsport 2.

Others who have made the transition from traditional boxers to K-1 fighters include:

Francois Botha (former IBF world Heavyweight champion) - # 9
Shannon Briggs (former Heavyweight, who beat George Foreman and then lost to Lennox Lewis when given a shot at the WBC world Heavyweight championship). - # 212
Ray Mercer (former WBO world Heavyweight champion)
Vince "Cool" Phillips (former IBF world Light-Welterweight champion)
Eric Butterbean Esch (former IBA world super-heavyweight champion) - # 92

[snow_slider]

ice - it's the Billy jack principal. MMA guy could take his right foot and kick a boxer on the left side of his head and there's nothing the boxer could do about it.

The leg has a longer reach than any boxer's punch and boxers aren't trained to deal with anything except boxing. Once they are on the mat, and a good MMA guy would definitely put them there, they are done.

[focus]

I think the structured format of boxing lets some athletes do well even if they don't have the killer instinct.... I don't know if the same can be said of UFC.

It depends on who you're talking about. I tend to agree that Tyson in his prime was an absolute fucking animal, and I wouldn't put money on anybody against him in any kind of fight. Holyfield? meh...i dunno.

[phUnk]

I would box iceman for $50.

[StuntCok]

found this here:

Traditional boxing stars at the K-1 tournament
Late in 2003, Bob Sapp challenged Mike Tyson, the former world Heavyweight boxing champion, to a K-1 fight. While Tyson did not accept the offer immediately, he signed with K-1 to be his official Japanese representation on August 23, 2003. A deal to actually fight in K-1 never materialized. In early 2006 another rumour of the re-schedule of this match in August 2006 has been released by the press and had been confirmed by Bob Sapp in an interview. For that reason he also turned down the role for the upcoming movie Bloodsport 2.

Others who have made the transition from traditional boxers to K-1 fighters include:

Francois Botha (former IBF world Heavyweight champion) - # 9
Shannon Briggs (former Heavyweight, who beat George Foreman and then lost to Lennox Lewis when given a shot at the WBC world Heavyweight championship). - # 212
Ray Mercer (former WBO world Heavyweight champion)
Vince "Cool" Phillips (former IBF world Light-Welterweight champion)
Eric Butterbean Esch (former IBA world super-heavyweight champion) - # 92

Tyson wasn't allowed into Japan for the K-1 due to his criminal past so I don't know how that will work. Sapp fighting Tyson is hardly interesting, given that Sapp isn't a very good fighter. I would like to see Tyson fight Bonjasky or Semy. Shit, I would even rather watch him fight Musashi.

[ravenousllama]

Didn't Gene LaBelle answer this question in the 70's?

Boxers can win *if* they can land their heaviest punches. However, those are very slow, and prone to be grabbed. I give it to mixed martial arts of a similar level all the time.

[Big E]

Are they allowed to use folding chairs as weapons or not?

And, more importantly, are they allowed to have their "managers" ring-side?

[Tippster]

I would box iceman for $50.

I would pay those $50.

[Theodore]

I'll use your namesake as an example. I'd put Chick Liddel up against any boxer in the 205lb. He can hit as hard as any boxer.

MMA>WWE Ken Shamrock proves that. Giant "pretty" muscles do not a good fighter make.

Pride > UFC Put some of you favorite boxers in there with Fedor, Cro Cop, Wanderlei, etc... and they'd be absolutely destroyed. Don't think just because a boxer has more specific training that they have a major advantage over a MMA fighter. Boxer = owned in a MMA fight. Boxer = normal chance in a boxing match.