Is it World War III

[Tippster]

I heard the only connection was that several members of the Saud family were heavily involved in opening the Madrassas in Pakistan, thus enabling the Taliban to come into existence. (Taliban = Arabic for "Student." They were the students in the Madrassas, aka "Schools.") This was mainly done to appease the Wahabbi sect in Saudi Arabia, basically a deal to keep them from fomenting a civil war within that country. Lotsa poor people in SA, oddly enough, with nearly a 50% unemployment rate. THAT place is gonna be a real problem before to long, IMHO - much worse than it is today.

Edit: you make me proud, Shamrock.

[Tuckerman]

So if I have Irish and Jewish ancestry do I win the self-pitty/suffering game or does Trayc still dominate with the history of slavery and racism?

Dex: I think you´re way out of proportion in your responses to 90% of these posts. Overemotional reactions and name calling does not help people change their minds. I think many people in this thread (those that support Israel included) could use some refresher courses on the history of this little conflict, but I don´t sense very much anti-jewish sentiment (happy Tipp?).

Lets call it a tie.

[Grange]

So if I have Irish and Jewish ancestry do I win the self-pitty/suffering game or does Trayc still dominate with the history of slavery and racism?

I'm half Irish and half Polish so I can make a case in the game. Plus all those Polish jokes should garner me some sympathy points.

[bklyn]

So if I have Irish and Jewish ancestry do I win the self-pitty/suffering game or does Trayc still dominate with the history of slavery and racism?...

Heh. I always dominate, even when I'm playing submissive.

I'm just your everyday run of the mill internet perv:


Pray for snow. It's a good thing none of you have weapons!

[cj001f]

One Word: Wax

[natty dread]

Approximately 20% of the deaths are children.

Yes this is an atrocity. And it is incredibly sad.
And the blame for this atrocity can be laid directly at the feet of the palestinian terrorists who choose to operate in densely populated civilian areas. Terrorists who deliberately target Israeli children.

[PNWbrit]

All I have to do is read every post of yours in this thread. You obvious have a problem with Jews. Not just the country of Israel, but you have a problem with anybody that is Jewish IMHO.

I assure you that you are quite wrong.

Again I'd invite you quote just one single clearly anti-semitic rather than anti israeli statement I have made.

I take it from your deathly silence that you have been unable to back up your comments and silly insults.

What a surprise.

[iceman]

When do we start comparing internet dick length?

I dunno, you got your tweezers and your magnifying glass?

The rest of your post, meh. Go away.

[Tippster]

I just had my internet dick shortened. It was so huge I couldn't get up and walk away from the keyboard....

[CherryMoon]

I dunno, you got your tweezers and your magnifying glass?

The rest of your post, meh. Go away.

Thought so. Big tough words, then realizes he has no point, and runs away. Why not use your long invested forum experience, act like an adult, and pass over the thread if it bothers you so much? Your sub-handle fits you well.

[powder11]

this thread is flame bait

[grrrr]

Yes but I just had to post something in it. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a rise out of the Matisyahu haters.

[Stu Gotz]

Yo! Yo! Is the the thread where I can win tickets to the the Hot97 Beach Jam Pajama Party?

Whazzup BillyBurg. Holla!

[Jim S]

CYCLON D ?blattent??? gefiltefish niggah!!!

Dang! Too many letters for a vanity license plate.
Maybe that can be an opening chant at the next Arian Supremacy rally. Who's goin'? TR to follow?

[MeatPuppet]

You're right, some civilian life is more valuable than others. Some numbers for you:

2000-2005 Intifada - B'tselem, an Israeli human rights group, has tracked casualty figures on both sides and are as follows:

Palestinian - 3223 deaths (An estimated 1850 civilians/non-combatants of which 631 were children)
Israeli - 950 deaths (of which 649 were civilians - 301 security forces)

So 631 kids (20% of all deaths) as collateral damage? Hmm, Israel really does show it has the utmost care for it's opponents civilians. How can a country with such advanced military and intelligence capability (considered by some the best in the world) kill so many innocent? Perhaps because they simply don't care? I think so.

Innocent people die in war. It is terrible, but it is a fact of life. It has always been this way. It will continue to be this way for the foreseeable future.

How does a suicide bomb in Tel Aviv market differ than an Apache fired missle into a refugee camp with 100% certainty of civilian collateral damage?

You are trying to assert a moral equivalency that does not exist. You cannot assign a moral judgment to actions(which you must do if you intend to draw a moral equivalency between them) without considering the intent behind those actions.

The Tel Aviv market had no strategic importance to Israel's ability to attack it's enemies. The same cannot be said of the refugee camp.

Israel is(and always has been) striking targets that have military/logistical value to their enemies. The same cannot be said of the terrorist's.

The Palestinian suicide bombers rarely blew up military targets, rather they blew up bus' and market places packed with civilians. The majority of the Hezbollah rockets are not, and never have been, falling on the Israeli military; instead they are falling on civilian population centers.

The terrorist's have been acting with the intent to kill civilians, Israel has been acting with the intent of reduceing it's enemies capability(or will) to kill Israeli civilians.

There is no moral equivalency between these two. You are revealing a great deal of prejudice when you assert that there is.




Edit: Is it just me, or is this thread growing tedious?

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[splat]

It's so nice we can discuss this issue without fighting like Arabs and Jews.

Who took my launch codes?

[iceman]

Thought so. Big tough words, then realizes he has no point, and runs away. Why not use your long invested forum experience, act like an adult, and pass over the thread if it bothers you so much? Your sub-handle fits you well.

Yeah I ran away. To dinner and a movie with my wife, sorry if I left you hanging. So what's up? You still a racist or did you snap out of it?

[GCCPPS]

Thought so. Big tough words, then realizes he has no point, and runs away. Why not use your long invested forum experience, act like an adult, and pass over the thread if it bothers you so much? Your sub-handle fits you well.

Fuckin Crew.

[mr_gyptian]

luckily it only took until Thursday for the Red Cross to demand access to the Israeli prisoner.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

not surprisingly the NYTimes, BBC, and Reuters have been silent on the issue. but I'm sure Hamas is following the Geneva Accords to the letter.

again, not necessarily against us, just on the other side.

[fattwins]

One country has the will and the capacity to destroy military targets. The other country does not. One country has the 100% involvement in the military the other does not.
Israel is not saint in, fact why doesn’t it conform to the nuclear pacts..

To be honest its time israel lost and gave a little more its about time.
wow you can have free land with all of those dots right through the middle........but guess what nwe can make our own roads that connect every town, wow even in a free state that isnt ours.

how how is this right come on.
come on.
no come on why is it riight!

[Cono Este]

I just have enough money to drop in the coin slot and become apart of this Nobel Peace Prize winning thread.

I will do my part and blame the Brits while I am over here. Balfour declaration? Ha! Ha! Bush you have nothing on these guys!!

Maybe the Turkish would be take it all back?

[bklyn]

Pics out of Lebanon this morning are bananas. The situation has worsened considerably in the region.

[Dexter Rutecki]

"Every death"? Approximately 20% of the deaths are children. Clearly great restraint has not been an avenue of choice. And your retort is to compare Israel-Palestinian situation with Iraq-US war? How thoughtful. Why not bring in WWII or Vietnam? Who said Iraq-US was not a disgrace? Your weak attempt at redirecting attention from Israel's wrong-doing is amusing. A real shyster you are and is of no surprise.

Are you willing to confirm that in your view Israel has committed no atrocities?

Why is this about what Israel might have done? We know for a fact that for six years there were hundreds of rockets launched into Israel from the north, after Israel left Lebanon.
Israel showed unparalleled restraint during this time, and for what? A line was crossed, and it's well past time to do something about it. Yet again, interesting how there is always this double standard with Israel when it actually defends itself from attacks--I wonder what could be causing that...
I'm sure your 'figure' about 20% of the casualties being children includes seventeen year old Palestinians blowing themselves up in Tel Aviv.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Dex: I think you´re way out of proportion in your responses to 90% of these posts. Overemotional reactions and name calling does not help people change their minds. I think many people in this thread (those that support Israel included) could use some refresher courses on the history of this little conflict, but I don´t sense very much anti-jewish sentiment (happy Tipp?).

It's odd that when people criticize the U.S. it's nothing like what we've seen here. No one questions the U.S. right to exist or defend itself, but those questions are always front and center with israel. You need to look back through this thread to see exactly how biased (and self-admittedly biased, in some cases) some posters are, and then ask yourself what is causing it. It's very easy to critique israel fairly, but some people are reflexively anti-Israel, and much of this is due to a latent anti-semitism, which is particularly prevalant in Europe (shocking, i know...). Being anti-zionist is inherently anti-semitic, as zionism is the what brought Israel into being.
I would say that one who is against a Palestinian state is likely anti-palestinian, too, in just the same way--i don't know why it's so shocking to hear that people who single out Israel as not being deserving of a country are probably expressing (even if they're unaware of it) anti-semitic sentiment.
I'd like to know if anyone who is 'anti-israel' here also questions any other country in the world's right to a state? I doubt they do, and that's what helps reveal what's really at work here.

[Dexter Rutecki]

As an aside, I'd also point out how interesting it is that lebanon, and much of the world, is now calling for a cease-fire. For six years israel has been under attack, during which time lebanon was supposedly obligated to disarm Hezbollah. But they did nothing of the sort, and instead made them part of the government and helped them arm themselves.
NOW they want a cease-fire. What a fucking joke. yet again, it's only when Israel takes action (doing what the Lebanese should have done but refused to) that there's any international condemnation. Thankfully, there's nothing anyone can do now that will stop what's under way, particularly not in light of the heavy shelling of Israel over the past few days, including major attacks on Haifa. This will probably be over within the next few months, and both Lebanon and israel will be better off.