WWMD: MIB carrying weapons?

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There's nothing worse than meeting an unfriendly person who has a gun and knowing you don't.

[FreakofSnow]

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[nachos supreme]

Originally posted by phUnk
Don't be a pussy. Just run right up to him excitedly, and ask him.

Maybe get him to strike a pose?

[lemon boy]

Sure I'm serious Dex...

I live actually in a city. I have guns. When I want to take one of them out of my house why should I feel weird about it? Why should it be in a case? If I want to chuck it into the back window of my truck that's fine too. Maybe this guy was going to the range, didn't have the keys to the car and was waiting while his buddy ran back into grab em.... Besides, why worry about someone standing calmly around who's showingn you his gun? I'm way more concerned with the guy who's concealing his (illegally) but then you can't see it so you can't worry about it.

Munsten - I think you're reading a bit too much into my statements. I'm just relating the fact that a 12 gauge shotgun with proper loads and chokes creates a big wide circle of death and destruction (even at surprisingly close ranges) whereas a rifle's bullets only go where in one specific spot and a pistol's bullets have a seeming mind of their own. Not to mention the fact that most of the "assault rifles" out there are junk that you can hardly aim, the ones that aren't are MUCHO DINERO expensive and your average thug can't afford ($1,300+).

[horizon]

welcome to the USA. you're not allowed to drink alcohol on the street but there's no problem with wielding a semiautomatic in the middle of a city.

[The Reverend Floater]

Gotta go with LB here, being from Idaho and all. We've got more guns than some small countries, and you see them all of the time. No big deal--a car, knife, fire or even bare hands can kill you just as easily as a gun.

And I'd have to agree with D-Day as to what he was doing. Probably VIP security....saw a similiar deal with an Audi S8 that would pull up in front of my apartment every day when I lived in Madrid, where guns are pretty much illegal. Car would pull up on the sidewalk every day, three dudes with big autos would hop out and escort some old guy into a building. :shrug:

[bagtagley]

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
No big deal--a car, knife, fire or even bare hands can kill you just as easily as a gun.

Just as easily? A car perhaps, but I'd certainly be more willing to fight someone wielding a knife and/or bare hands than a person with an assault rifle.

[lemon boy]

Rev- That brings up a funny thing: When we were in Russia, I saw a LOT more publicly displayed weapons (fully auto AK's duh) than I ever do here and these weren't necessarily members of the army or police either. Russia has very strict rules (on paper at least if not in monetary relative practice).

BTW- the natty gaurd in the airports after 9-11? Empty M-16's. EMPTY FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! Dangerous, worthless, useless right there.

[Grange]

Originally posted by lemon boy
Sure I'm serious Dex...

I live actually in a city. I have guns. When I want to take one of them out of my house why should I feel weird about it? Why should it be in a case? If I want to chuck it into the back window of my truck that's fine too.

Does your state allow you to transport a gun uncased in a car? In my state we must have all guns and bows in a legal case in order to even place it in a vehicle. Wrapping a gun in a bed sheet does not qualify as a legal case. The weapons must also be unloaded.
Considering I have become accustomed to the laws of my state for weapon transportation I would be a little surprised if I saw a car with a gun in the back window. I think the music from Deliverance would pop in my head.

[lemon boy]

Nope, Colorado is pretty liberal with the old gun laws: shotguns and rifles must be unloaded (chamber & mag) but do not have to be cased or hidden. You see a lot of trucks with guns in windows out in the country and occasionally in town.

You may have a loaded pistol in your vehicle for "protection while traveling," by state law. Some of the rules about that are a little fuzzy (may it be concealed? in a glove box? plain view? notify officer in a traffic stop? etc...) but you still can have one. And we just recently go a "shall issue" CCW law (changed from a sheriff discretion version). And the state passed a law that the cities (Denver) can't have more restrictive laws than the State.

[Snow Dog]

Originally posted by Grange
Does your state allow you to transport a gun uncased in a car? In my state we must have all guns and bows in a legal case in order to even place it in a vehicle. Wrapping a gun in a bed sheet does not qualify as a legal case. The weapons must also be unloaded.
Considering I have become accustomed to the laws of my state for weapon transportation I would be a little surprised if I saw a car with a gun in the back window. I think the music from Deliverance would pop in my head.

In Canada the rules for transporting a rifle or shotgun are simple: the gun must be unloaded. If you're leaving the gun unattended then it must go in the trunk or, if there's no truck, out of sight.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
No big deal--a car, knife, fire or even bare hands can kill you just as easily as a gun.

If that were true then the world's militaries wouldn't waste their time equipping soldiers with guns--c'mon, to deny the difference between something that can kill 30 people in one second and bare hands is pretty out there.
If you're carrying an automatic weapon around a city and don't think there's something wrong with it, you're just not thinking.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Grange
Does your state allow you to transport a gun uncased in a car? In my state we must have all guns and bows in a legal case in order to even place it in a vehicle. Wrapping a gun in a bed sheet does not qualify as a legal case. The weapons must also be unloaded.

Here I'm pretty sure you need a permit just to move a legal weapon from one place to another, and it has to be unloaded and cased.
And you can basically forget about ever getting a concealed permit or permit to carry, unless you're a cop.

[lemon boy]

a permit? damn dude, where's that and remind me never to move there? Sheesh.

Hi, officer friendly? My name is (Subjugated Dummy #1213334) and I am going to be moving my air gun from the bedroom to my den for cleaning, can I get a permit?

No, the aforementioned airgun must stay in your bedroom Number 1213334.

BTW- I used to live in the city of Denver and there were only 37 people with CCWs (all political cronies of Webb's), good luck getting a permit. Now you can get em easier but I don't live there no mo! Not that englewood was all that better before the shall issue law.

[Grange]

WI is probably going to pass a concealed weapons bill today. The legislature passed this bill last year but our governor vetoed it law enforcements heavy support. The legislature is meeting today again to try and override the veto. All indications say the override will pass. I just hope it won't come to two drunks in a bar pull out their Saturday night specials instead of their fists to settle their dispute.

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Here I'm pretty sure you need a permit just to move a legal weapon from one place to another, and it has to be unloaded and cased.
And you can basically forget about ever getting a concealed permit or permit to carry, unless you're a cop.

So when I buy a gun at Walmart, will they give me a permit to take it home? MORON.

[The Reverend Floater]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
If that were true then the world's militaries wouldn't waste their time equipping soldiers with guns--c'mon, to deny the difference between something that can kill 30 people in one second and bare hands is pretty out there.
If you're carrying an automatic weapon around a city and don't think there's something wrong with it, you're just not thinking.

Jesus, Dex, try not to misconstrue my post so badly. I was talking about seeing guns in pick ups in Idaho, not Iraq. And show me a street legal gun that can kill 30 people in 1 second. In the meantime I'll show you a bus with a drunk driver.

[lemon boy]

I don't think there's any gun (short of a field piece) that can kill 30 folks in 1 second....

As it seems we're headed there anyway - - - - > Time to trot out the GOA/NRA/Gun Nut Fantasy here [disclaimer, what follows does not necessarily the relfect the views of TGR, Lemon Boy, thelemonboy, Lemon Boy, Inc. nor its holding group Lemon Boy LLC]:

Besides, in a free society where people are actually allowed to exercise freely their RKBA, anybody who tries to go day trader/postal will be summarily executed by the closest citizen who just happens to be carrying a legal weapon and has the training to pop a couple caps in that foo's ass!

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
Jesus, Dex, try not to misconstrue my post so badly. I was talking about seeing guns in pick ups in Idaho, not Iraq. And show me a street legal gun that can kill 30 people in 1 second. In the meantime I'll show you a bus with a drunk driver.

But this thread was about what was described as a fully automatic assault weapon, that's what was being discussed on the streets of L.A., not Iraq or Idaho. I guess if you see any type of gun in Idaho it's not a big deal, but it's definitely different in L.A. (I think).
And if it's automatic, it can easily shoot 600+ rounds/minute--granted, you'd have to have a pretty crowded, cooperative group of victims, but you could kill a lot more people in one or two seconds that way than you could with anyone's hands.

[lemon boy]

nobody but the dude holding it is in a position to say whether it was a full auto or a semi auto although if you look ASCS said it was a semi. All of that is purely academic though cause it doesn't really matter one way or another (hint, there's a reason that the US military does not equip its foot soldiers with fully automatic weapons generally).

People who have nefarious intentions for their guns don't just stand on the street calmly showing them off

I can think of only two really reasonable senarios here: a) security dude "showing force" and letting everyone know not to fuck with his charge and b) some guy going somewhere with his gun.

eh, who knows pretty different from here, I likely wouldn't even think twice about such a sight. Maybe the nuts are right and LA would be better off if that wasn't such an abnormal sight.

I conceed that your experience is likely very different from mine and are unlikely to come around to my view on the subject, primarily I wanted to relate that lots of folks wouldn't feel out of sorts by such an occurance.

[Zittel]

Originally posted by lemon boy
I conceed that your experience is likely very different from mine and are unlikely to come around to my view on the subject, primarily I wanted to relate that lots of folks wouldn't feel out of sorts by such an occurance.

LB,

What I always find most interesting with gun control debates (or any other), is how intelligent people can take wholly different views of the issue. For instance, I would argue that the Second Amendment does not create an unrestricted right to gun ownership by individuals, as the framers anchored that right mainly in the raising of militias to oppose a repressive government. And although I am not a fan of da' Shrub, I wouldn't consider the government oppressive at the moment. You on the other hand, find gun ownership an inalienable right as laid out by amendment numero dos. I guess as long as you don't want to pump any lead into my ass, Viva la difference!

[The Reverend Floater]

Originally posted by Zittel
LB,

And although I am not a fan of da' Shrub, I wouldn't consider the government oppressive at the moment.

Oh, just give 'em time, Z!