DP Skis Weight

[covert]

anybody have weight stats for DP skis? in particular the wailer 105 and lotus 138...

[marshalolson]

Weights:
1950 g per ski on the Lotus 120, 190cm, Flex 2
2000 g per ski on a Lotus 138, 192cm, Flex 2

dunno what the 105's come in at. 1800ish for a 185 would be my guess

[covert]

muchas gracias, now all i need is $1800

[upallnight]

Hey, 'shral...
If you were getting 2 dps, would you get the 120 & 138, the 105 & 120, or the 105 & 138.

...curious...

[summit]

8.8lbs for a pair of lotus 138s... not exactly light... i should go measure the spats

[marshalolson]

8.8lbs for a pair of lotus 138s... not exactly light... i should go measure the spats

i seem to remember the spats w/o binding being about 11 or 12 lbs.

also remember there is significantly more material in the lotus 138.

125mm vs. 138mm and 186cm vs 192cm

[Vicious]

8.8lbs for a pair of lotus 138s... not exactly light... i should go measure the spats

The 138s are ridiculously light underfoot. You need to give mine a whirl and feel the difference between them and Spats.

[upallnight]

8.8lbs for a pair of lotus 138s... not exactly light... i should go measure the spats

Well, 8.8 definitely isn't *light* on an absolute scale (esp if you're going to tour with them), but for their size, 8.8 lbs is very light. For what it's worth, a 179 Vicious probably measures in at around 8 (@ <100mm waist).

[1000-oaks]

Any idea what Maden AK's weigh?

[lemon boy]

14.4#s per pair. Those rivets are made of lead dampening material and the piezo adds ~.5#s to each pair.

[hop]

14.4#s per pair. Those rivets are made of lead dampening material and the piezo adds ~.5#s to each pair.

Wow, with that much weight/piezo, it's a good thing the AK's don't have them.

[lemon boy]

Wow, with that much weight/piezo, it's a good thing the AK's don't have them.

[iskibc]

Got my hands on some 185 Wailers and I gotta say that I'm surprised at how heavy they are. Not Explosiv heavy, but noticeably heavier than a Bro Model, Titan XXL, Sugar Daddy, and other skis of comparable dimensions. I was expecting them to be much lighter than what they weigh in at. Don't get me wrong, they are still a great ski for touring, but I was expecting them to be a pound or two lighter. Fun ski on the downhill though. They have a really nice feel to them.

[marshalolson]

iski: are they the same skis that pow4brains had?

[iskibc]

iski: are they the same skis that pow4brains had?

Yup, same skis.

[Pow4Brains]

yeah, i know i have been slacking on the review, but want to give em' a fair shake........only got about 1500 vert on them. i'll bump my first thread soon so iskibc can add.

[1000-oaks]

Okay, then how much does a Rossi Axial 120 binding weigh? I have the Maden's, but didn't weigh them before I mounted the binders.

[SafteySquad]

weigh skis and bindings, subtract 14.4. is that really that difficult?

[dp]

came on to post about stickers, but saw this thread, and thought we would add some beta.

Last year, starting from scratch, and due to the cramped R&D to production cycle, we intentionally overbuilt (high carbon/ultra thin) a few models, namely the shapes that hit harder snow (Wailer 95 and 105) to blow their torsional stiffness and performance through the roof (redundancy for lack of testing time)- As a point of comparison, we have tested skis straight off the World Cup course (race room top secret jazz), and a standard DPS will measure 20-30% torsionally stiffer (more powerful). Carbon is twice as strong as Aluminum and Fiberglass and half the weight. Still, you keep piling on carbon, and it starts to weigh something (some flex 185cm Wailer 95's from this year weighed in as high as 1800g- fairly robust for a carbon ski). One of the beauties of a pure carbon construction is that you can build a light ski that will have way more power than anything conventionally built of equal weight.

We knew going into this spring we could fine-tune the layup, while thickening the ski, thereby maintaining steroidal physical properties, but dropping 200g on a single ski for the Wailers- that process is going on right now.

The weight reduction will be 100g on the Lotuses as they already benefited form 50% of the new layup during last year's short run.

Engineering Specs have this summer's run coming out in the neighborhood of the following:
185cm Wailer 95: 1650g- 7.26 lbs/pair
188cm Wailer 105: 1730g 7.6 lbs/pair
190cm Lotus 120: 1850-1900g or 8.1-8.36 lbs/pair
192cm Lotus 138: 1925g or 8.48 lbs/pair (stay tuned on this one as we are also making a shaping change here)

We like these numbers. They are nice and light, yet the boards have unmatched physical properties and are sandwich with a fair amount of plastic where you need it. In the big picture, with a pure carbon ski, there is still room to shed another 10% of core weight with a wood change, and that may or may not happen in the future based on testing, and even another few hundred grams by going to aeropace foam cores and a cap. That's not necessarily the ski we are after though.

We design for flat-out on snow performance, strength, and weight. It's intended as a ski of zero compromise: one that will out ski the heaviest, beefiest double aluminum laminate builds, stronger, yet is far quicker, and more fun to move around with. Philosophically, we are not gram counters, but weight is an inherent part of performance as it endows power and freedom in turn transitions and obviously makes touring more fun. So, our goal is to get within range of "light" while having uncompromised performance and strength, not to be the "lightest" per say, if that makes sense.

Fiberglass skis in the Touring/Tele weight class have Touring/Tele performance, without exception, just due to the modulous of the materials used in conventional skis. (in order to make a ski light you have to remove fiberglass or go to lower density woods or foam, both of which sap performance, whereas the choice of core material in a carbon ski has miniscule impact on performance because the carbon laminates dominate the ski with their incredibly high modulus).

We don't aim to be the lightest ski in the touring class or even to be included in it per say, if that makes sense. The goal is to make the highest performing skis made, physically speaking, and in doing so, make sure that the weights stay down in a place where people are psyched to tour on them, even on the big skis, and that they know they will be able to make ultra-quick moves while on them that match the superior power generated by the materials.

[covert]

i get all tingly down there listening to you talk about skis

[freeskisquaw]

192cm Lotus 138: 1925g or 8.48 lbs/pair (stay tuned on this one as we are also making a shaping change here)

What would that be?

[upallnight]

<8.5lbs for a pair of skis of the dimensions of a 138 or 120 is amazingly light!

i am psyched to receive one pair of each.

october???

[summit]

Thank you for posting dp!!!

Please tell us more about the shape change!

[Vicious]

Thank you for posting dp!!!

Please tell us more about the shape change!

Yes, please do.

[harpo-the-skier]

Engineering Specs have this summer's run coming out in the neighborhood of the following:
185cm Wailer 95: 1650g- 7.26 lbs/pair

Is 1650g 185cm Wailer 95 a 2 flex or a 3 flex? Also, the 3 flex is stiffer than the 2 flex, right?