Dem. race just got more interesting

[Dexter Rutecki]

Dean third in Iowa, Edwards second, Kerry first. Gephardt drops out--Kucinich stays in (how Naderly). Now what happens in NH? I don't know, this has gotta make a lot of NH people consider Kerry more seriously, but Clark is strong there too, and it's now possible that Edwards could even do well. And don't forget that Edwards should be the strongest in the south...this may not get decided until later than we thought.

[Blurred Elevens]

Only 10 more months until the grim reality of the liberals sets in...You no longer have Congress, Senate, and definitely not the White House.....Too bad jackoff!!!!

Good thing the American people are smarter than you!! MUhahahahaaha!!!!

[iceman]

"Naderly" is right on.

If Kerry can remember that everybody hates preppies and that he just needs to talk like a normal human being, he can win this walking away.

We'll see.

[basom]

i sometimes see Kerry jogging in the morning when i'm working on the hill. all i can say is that guy has really good posture. and a really nice place on louisburg sq. used to be a nunery i believe.

[schuss]

Kerry CAN win here, but its a very slim possibility. Most likely he'll end up a strong second (which is all he really needs to take the wind out of dean's sails) and clark will take third. Who knows though? I'm voting for Kerry personally, but his campaign had enough serious problems early on that I don't think he can win NH. It's all about how you do versus what you were EXPECTED to do, which is how Clinton managed to come out of the '92 primary looking like a winner.

[repeat]

Edwards is a good speaker. Not that i know anything about the politics behind everything...but i just can't stand to hear bush slaughter the english language any longer.

[The AD]

You know, I like Dick Gephardt and all, but I think it's best to see him out. The poor guy just has the stink of "loser" and the Dems certainly don't need that this time.

[Steven S. Dallas]

Originally posted by basom
and a really nice place on louisburg sq. used to be a nunery i believe.

That's the place next door, that the Blacks live in. Unless it used to be owned by the same convent.

Kerry did have the fire hydrant that was in front of his house moved around the corner onto Pinckney Street- a lot of people gave him shit for throwing his weight around, but I say any politician who can bring more parking to Beacon Hill is a good one. I'd like to be more pro-Kerry, but I understand that the knock on him as a senator was that he wasn't very good at assembling a quality staff. That's got to be a concern in this race. For me, at this point, it's coming down to electability more than anything else, and that prolly means Clark because I don't think that a Northeasterner can win. Edwards looks like he's 17, and doesn't have the foreign policy experience- otherwise, I think he'd be the guy.

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by The AD
You know, I like Dick Gephardt and all, but I think it's best to see him out. The poor guy just has the stink of "loser" and the Dems certainly don't need that this time.

It's called "foreshadowing"....Muhahahaahahahah!!!

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by Walter Sobchak
What, specifically, has the Bush administration done over the last three years to make your life better?

Pissed of all the Liberals....word.

[TJ.Brk]

Originally posted by iceman
"Naderly" is right on.

If Kerry can remember that everybody hates preppies and that he just needs to talk like a normal human being, he can win this walking away.

We'll see.

Within the last 10 days Kerry has been doing a bit more of the "Oh shucks" routine and it has paid off for him.

What really hurt Kerry was that first debate when all the candidates were walking from one side of the stage to the other with the fake smiles photo op bit. Kerry's looked just hideous and fake. People remember small things like that.

In the military General Clark (he was a Col when I met him) was known to piss people off with his brown nosing bit. He most definately didn't make descisions unless it would benefit him in the political landscape of the military, and he was known to pass the buck to underlings if one of his calculations didn't turn out right. But he was a great politician in the military and used it well to gain advancement. He is a pretty sharp guy. However, he was forced into retirement after a pissing contest with Gen Shelton. That's the scuttlebutt I was told. Clark will never get the nod. Republicans would love it if he would. They could just run adds of Clark talking about his support for Bush.

Kerry will stay strong but I think Edwards will end up with the Democratic Nomination.

My hope is that McCain/Powell will run as an independents. But that will never happen.

[KQ]

Originally posted by Alex P. Keaton
Edwards looks like he's 17, and doesn't have the foreign policy experience- otherwise, I think he'd be the guy.

That's why they filmed his campaign ads in black and white - to make him look older, but hey, the guy is 50.

The more I know about Edwards the more I like him. It was refreshing to see ppl were listening and not just voting for a name.

[schuss]

I really hope edwards doesn't get the nod, mainly because he already accept public funding and is almost out of money as it is (in terms of spending limits), which will mean the republicans will be able to outspend him to buy the nomination. I think he'll be a good candidate after he gets some more experience, but for now I think it would be best for him to stand aside.

[KQ]

Originally posted by schuss
I really hope edwards doesn't get the nod, mainly because he already accept public funding and is almost out of money as it is (in terms of spending limits), which will mean the republicans will be able to outspend him to buy the nomination. I think he'll be a good candidate after he gets some more experience, but for now I think it would be best for him to stand aside.

What would you think of him as a VP? Would it be better to stand aside and wait for the next election (provided we don't have an incumbent Dem pres) or to take a VP nomination? (just wondering).

[schuss]

Originally posted by KQ
What would you think of him as a VP? Would it be better to stand aside and wait for the next election (provided we don't have an incumbent Dem pres) or to take a VP nomination? (just wondering).

vp is a useless position, he'd be better making a better name for himself in the senate. He's young enough that he can easily run again, especially since he's already exceeded expectations.

[rightcoast]

kerry is the tallest candidate.
i saw him at Logan once.

[Zittel]

It has been interesting to see the wolves turn on Dean. Even Saturday Night Live spoofed him in the worst way - an irate man who swears profusely. I guess the image stuck, much like President Ford as an individual with 2 left feet (although he starred as an offensive lineman at U of M).

I think Edwards make an interesting VP possibility. Southern, youngish, self-made, and southern. I don't think that Dean or Clark will play second fiddle, so both of those guys are running for the whole enchilada, or nothing at all. Lieberman, as a northeasterner, becomes irrelevant as Kerry picks up the momentum. If he takes the pipe in NH, it will be tough for him.

[irul&ublo]

Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
Only 10 more months until the grim reality of the liberals sets in...You no longer have Congress, Senate, and definitely not the White House.....Too bad jackoff!!!!

Good thing the American people are smarter than you!! MUhahahahaaha!!!!

State of the Union tonight. Let's see if President Dumbass has learned to pronounce "nuclear".

[Steven S. Dallas]

Originally posted by Zittel
I think Edwards make an interesting VP possibility. Southern, youngish, self-made, and southern.

Also, he's from the South.

[KQ]

Originally posted by irul&ublo
State of the Union tonight. Let's see if President Dumbass has learned to pronounce "nuclear".

Dear MoveOn member,

A year ago, President Bush told the nation that "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." It wasn't true, of course, but it did serve as a critical piece of the spin campaign that led the country into war.

Tonight, in preparation for the upcoming election, the President is again getting ready to tell the nation something that simply isn't true. According to news reports, the President will declare victory in the fight to provide the nation's elderly and disabled with health care. He'll point to the Medicare bill that he and Congressional Republicans pushed through Congress. But there's one small problem: the Medicare bill won't help Medicare, and it won't help seniors. In fact, it's designed to do the program in.

That's why we've prepared a 30-second alternative version of tonight's speech which exposes how the nation's drug companies backed and bought this bill. We've asked one of the country's most respected polling firms to test the ad, and we know it makes an enormous impact on the people who see it. But we'll need your help to get it out there. If you can help us reach our $10 million goal, we'll put up a $1.7 million buy and make sure millions of Americans in swing states know the real deal.

As the ad opens, we see a series of photos from previous State of the Union addresses, cut quickly together to resemble a movie. We hear the voice of someone who sounds like George Bush. "My fellow Americans," he says, "My Medicare bill has real drug benefits...but not for you. For my contributors at the big drug companies. My bill actually forbids Medicare from negotiating lower drug prices...so you'll probably have to pay more for your prescriptions than you do now; and you won't be able to get cheaper prescriptions from Canada."

One thing that President Bush probably won't mention in his speech tonight is how the bill came to pass. In the House, the vote was extremely tight: even some Republicans knew they couldn't justify the bill to their home districts. So, House Leaders held the vote open for three hours in the dead of night while they twisted the arms of the last few hold-outs. Rep. Nick Smith (R-MI), a retiring Congressman whose son will run for his seat, was one of them. Here's how the Associated Press reported the events that followed:

"On the House floor, [Rep.] Nick Smith was told business interests would give his son $100,000 in return for his father's vote. When he still declined, fellow Republican House members told him they would make sure Brad Smith never came to Congress. After Nick Smith voted no and the bill passed, [Rep.] Duke Cunningham of California and other Republicans taunted him that his son was dead meat."

Bribing House members on the House floor is, of course, a felony, and Rep. Smith has confirmed that this account is accurate. No special investigation has been launched. The bribers are still at large.

The story, in the end, is pretty simple: drug companies and insurance companies gave millions of dollars to push through legislation. The bill will greatly increase their profits while pulling the rug out from under our seniors. President Bush is trying to spin that huge sell-out as a benefit to the American people. And we won't let him.

Sincerely,
--Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Noah, Peter, Wes, and Zack
The MoveOn.org Team
January 20th, 2003

MoveOn.org

[Zittel]

Originally posted by Alex P. Keaton
Also, he's from the South.

I could say it fifteen more times. Seeing how the democrats have lost the South, having someone to balance the NE-elite liberalism cannot be stressed enough.

Someone who can tell you who won Talladega is becoming a whole lot more important than knowing who starts at shortstop for the Red Sox.

[Viva]

Originally posted by KQ
"My Medicare bill has real drug benefits...but not for you. For my contributors at the big drug companies. My bill actually forbids Medicare from negotiating lower drug prices...so you'll probably have to pay more for your prescriptions than you do now; and you won't be able to get cheaper prescriptions from Canada."

This might not be such a bad thing in the long run. Faced with skyrocketing costs for therapeutics, many people may realize that they really don't need pharmacologic intervention for what ails them.

I would love to see consumer backlash bring down big pharma a notch or two and it's so fitting should Bush inadvertently spearhead such a revolt.

[mr_gyptian]

KQ,

shoes off and back to the kitchen. Moveon.org's horse just came up lame and incidentally crazy last night. that organization undermines what Edwards is trying to do. What he needs is another term as Senator then a term of Governor and he'll be the uber-candidate.

[Zittel]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
Moveon.org's horse just came up lame and incidentally crazy last night.

That was a bit unsettling last night when Dean started giving a freestyle geography lesson. I thought he was going to lead the crowd in a rousing "We're Number 3!" chant.

[Schmear]

Originally posted by schuss
vp is a useless position,

Don't tell that to Dick Cheney.