NX21 durability?

**edg** · 06-10-2006, 11:12 AM

So after a season of use, what's everyone's thoughts on the durability of the nx21? Have the problems of the nx01 really been resolved? Your season in review, please!

I'm looking at these for a AT setup next season (nx21+ Movement Evolution), but would want to be able to use them pretty hard lift served as well (paired up with Adrenalines, most likely).

Cheers, deBeers!

edg

**Meathelmet** · 06-10-2006, 11:15 AM

Well,some could say that the almost total lack of whining should state something?
Can´t remember seeing or hearing anything about the NX21s.

Either they have fixed the issues or people have stopped using naxos alltogether...

**edg** · 06-10-2006, 11:18 AM

That's what I've been wondering. Can't find much in either compaint or praise of the binding which, as you say, either means they've done the job or they've just not been used.

edg

**hemas** · 06-10-2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by edg

I'm looking at these for a AT setup next season (nx21+ Movement Evolution), but would want to be able to use them pretty hard lift served as well (paired up with Adrenalines, most likely).

Cheers, deBeers!

edg

Forget the Evolution, get Goliaths

Atleast when I flexed 'em at the shop, they seemed just about perfect for AT.

**edg** · 06-10-2006, 01:01 PM

Thanks for the info, Bullet. Hmmm... This is shaping up nicely.

Hemas : Only if you work out a way to shave them by about 2 kilos

edg

**hemas** · 06-10-2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by edg

Hemas : Only if you work out a way to shave them by about 2 kilos

edg

Beltgrinder? I'm sure Aldi or your local DIY has them for cheap

Anyway, why do you plan on getting light skis, with heavy binders and even heavier boots? The few extra kg won't matter that much since yer boots & binders are the heaviest on the market anyway.

**edg** · 06-10-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by hemas

Beltgrinder? I'm sure Aldi or your local DIY has them for cheap

Anyway, why do you plan on getting light skis, with heavy binders and even heavier boots? The few extra kg won't matter that much since yer boots & binders are the heaviest on the market anyway.

I'm trying to off set the heavier boots 'n' binders. I was thinking of going with a dynafit set up w/ the boots and bindings, but wanted something I could thrash around in the resort as well as just a touring platform, and the nx21 seem to best fit that bill (even if they weigh almost as much as the skis

). In reality with the boots it'll end up being whatever is in the sales this summer, but was hoping for the Adrenalines because of the aggressiveness an the alpine binding capability.

Edit : Just did some sums, and this set up is just over a kilo lighter than my tele set up... One more litre of water it is then

edg

**hemas** · 06-10-2006, 01:33 PM

I have a faint recollection that T-P had a bunch of AT-boots on sale. Also http://www.globetrotter.de seems to have G-Ride's for ~190 Eur and a few others as well.

And BTW, people do use Dynafit's even at the resorts.

FYI my AT setup used to be Titan 9.2's and Freerides with GRides, but next season I'll be switching the ski to 190cm Budha Explosive. That should be sweet.

And in all reality, are you gonna tour a lot with that AT-rig? I'm betting that you're gonna do more touring on your tele's. Atleast that has been the case with me, tour on tele's and just occationally with AT.

**edg** · 06-10-2006, 01:37 PM

I'd use the tele more, granted, and definitely for day tours... The AT would be for multi day and ski mountaineering (Just don't trust bellows with crampons). It's just irritating how easy skinning is on AT vs. Tele

edg

bc · 06-10-2006, 01:42 PM

My nx21's are bomber;
My nx01's were not.
But this I merely ponder,
for skiing I am not.

**Meathelmet** · 06-10-2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bullet

Both the Nx01 and Nx21 are bomber from my perspective.

Bollocks.

I mean on the Nx01 part.Imho.

Had 3 so weird walkouts/mishaps on those bindings (yes,properly adjusted...) that i really can´t recommend them to anyone else but a tight-ass-frenchies-with-spandies types.
But i guess that horse has been beatten enough.
Good that the binding has worked for people,though.

Originally Posted by Hemas

...but next season I'll be switching the ski to 190cm Budha Explosive. That should be sweet.

You slut. Was it you that feched those skis for dirt cheap from the unnamed board?
Are you working on your tighs all summer? Going from 173s to 190 is gonna take a toll on you and your manhood.

**hemas** · 06-10-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Meathelmet

You slut. Was it you that feched those skis for dirt cheap from the unnamed board?
Are you working on your tighs all summer? Going from 173s to 190 is gonna take a toll on you and your manhood.

Yes, and after skiing most of the season on BD's with sloppy tele-binders, I'm pretty confident that I'll have a blast with them Explouders with locked heels

.

Besides, I sold my 173's in the fall and either skied '86 Stormrider DP's(also cheap and from the same unnamed board, 30 € biatch) or BD's. Both with crappy/sloppy tele's

**MoNtY** · 06-10-2006, 02:24 PM

The durability of the NX21 is great for an AT binding, but I still managed to break mine. The durability flaw is that theres the 2 pivioting bolts in the toe of each binding. Im not sure why but Naxo manufactured the bolts with a shear point on them. This season for me consisted of mostly resort/ slack-country and a hand for of BC trips. I figure the first bolt sheared in half (on the shear point) at 20-30 days into the season and then 2 others followed suit shortly after. On the touring side of things they're a heavy binding over 2kg, and i noticed i couldnt side step when in tele mode the tails would drag on the ground. Other then the bolts and the weight they are a bommer well designed binging.

**skier666** · 06-10-2006, 08:18 PM

Only got around 10 days on mine. My first AT binding. No release issues while chargin'...but no drops bigger than 15 feet or so. They do squeek when touring, and I've noticed the sidestepping difficulty as well, but I figured that was do to my touring JONGness. Otherwise, I'm stoked on them.

**mtbakerskier** · 06-10-2006, 10:29 PM

I have well over a hundred days on the NX21's. I posted an eval on here a while ago. Try the search function.

Anyways, thye just now started to devlope some play in them, but I gues that is to be expected. They are bar none the most durable / solid AT binder on the market right now, so if your looking for a solid AT set up the NX21's are it. However keep in mind that they are definatly not in the same league as Soly S916 / 920s.

Who ever says the NX01's are jsut as solid is either full of shit or doesnt know what there talking about.

Would I buy a pair of NX 21's ???? The answer is yes (well if I had to buy my gear

)

**Toby** · 06-11-2006, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Bullet

That's ok because you don't really want to side-step while in tour mode. It messes up the skin track for those following you.

But there are times when the guy who put in the track put it in too steep and the conditions have since hardened up and/or you want to follow a steep ridgeline without putting in a couple of switchbacks, etc. There are definitely times I've found myself sidestepping kinda diagonally up the track.

**edg** · 06-11-2006, 03:10 AM

Found your review MBS, thanks for the heads up

(http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...highlight=nx21)

Thanks for the all the input everyone

edg

**Gurterno** · 06-11-2006, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by hemas

Forget the Evolution, get Goliaths

Atleast when I flexed 'em at the shop, they seemed just about perfect for AT.

Goliaths rock. Light, fairly stiff but really manageable (spellcheck) in the woods. I only tried them for half a day in Whitewater, almost only forest and they felt much quicker then my 04/05 Gotamas. But at the same time I believe they rock open spaces.

You can also try solly 914 (2350g/pair) + trekkers (1228g/pair). About the same weight and probably good enough for shorter touring.
I don't know the weight of 916

**upallnight** · 06-11-2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Gurterno

You can also try solly 914 (2350g/pair) + trekkers (1228g/pair). About the same weight and probably good enough for shorter touring.
I don't know the weight of 916

I love 27 pounds are talked about as touring setups!

8 pounds of bindings/trekkers + 9 pound skis + 10 pound boots.

Touring = lift to top, duck under ropes, traverse back?

That heavy a setup is a freaking workout!

Also, I'm curious how much backcountry (at least a couple miles from a trailhead) hucking (over 20 feet) people do.

**Gurterno** · 06-11-2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by upallnight

I love 27 pounds are talked about as touring setups!

8 pounds of bindings/trekkers + 9 pound skis + 10 pound boots.

Touring = lift to top, duck under ropes, traverse back?

That heavy a setup is a freaking workout!

Also, I'm curious how much backcountry (at least a couple miles from a trailhead) hucking (over 20 feet) people do.

Where I live there's no lifts (no good ones at least). I do at least 40-60 days of skiing per year. 80% of the days I hike. 800-1600 m of vertical. Rarely any approaches though, just straight up from the car.
I use gotamas+x-wave 10+freerides. It's a good setup. All my friends ski with heavy setups as well, so we all keep the same pace up (this is important

).
And I do a bit of light hucking, up to 25 feet maybe.
There's quite a lot of us in Scandinavia

I think my dream setup right now would be, falcons (light), EHP 193 (rippin skis I would assume), and I don't know about the binders.

**upallnight** · 06-11-2006, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Gurterno

All my friends ski with heavy setups as well, so we all keep the same pace up (this is important

).
And I do a bit of light hucking, up to 25 feet maybe.
There's quite a lot of us in Scandinavia

I think my dream setup right now would be, falcons (light), EHP 193 (rippin skis I would assume), and I don't know about the binders.

That seems like the key--if everyone is on similar gear.

Yeah, the EHP 193 does look really interesting!! Love to get on a pair.

**verbier61** · 06-12-2006, 02:13 AM

I tried the evolutions this winter and did not like them at all. Prolly the worst pair of "AT-suitable" skis in the bunch of some-10 I tried. They're slippery and almost unskiable on hard snow. It was a realy pity since they're very nice to see.

**GBB** · 06-13-2006, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gurterno

And I do a bit of light hucking, up to 25 feet maybe.
There's quite a lot of us in Scandinavia

I think my dream setup right now would be, falcons (light), EHP 193 (rippin skis I would assume), and I don't know about the binders.

just curious what size goats are you on?

**Huck_Schmuck** · 06-13-2006, 01:57 PM

10 (out of 92) days on NX21s on Wizard Exploder 190s. Very little skining but plenty of charging. Maxing around 20-25' hucks. Felt fine to me.

**rugbydave** · 06-13-2006, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by upallnight

I love 27 pounds are talked about as touring setups!

8 pounds of bindings/trekkers + 9 pound skis + 10 pound boots.

Touring = lift to top, duck under ropes, traverse back?

That heavy a setup is a freaking workout!

Also, I'm curious how much backcountry (at least a couple miles from a trailhead) hucking (over 20 feet) people do.

I did Diamond Head in Squamish early this winter on my Head Worldcups, S900s and Mojos, like 6 hours or so of touring and 15 mins of skiing...