Good story about that wonderful Moore guy!

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

But I would call him one of the greatest presidents in the nation's history.

I don't know that I exactly agree with all of his more liberal, progressive policies but on that we can agree.

[cj001f]

Oh I see, its our fault they wanted to colonize half the world and tried to hold on to it until the bitter end(their exit from India was not exactly voluntary), my bad. Man, PNWBrit must be right, we are a bunch of assholes

now there's a coherent narrative for british, american and world history that demonstrates great understanding of the subject matter

[lemon boy]

BTW- Clinton being "offered" OBL by Sudan is purely apocryphal. The idea that OBL's ideological partner in assholeness would just give him to the US should strain the anyone's credulity but apparently, doesn't.

[lemon boy]

Lets remember that Kerry used footage of his testimony in his early election campaigns to start his political career to get him elected.

So Kerry was a big enough asshole that it's okay to call him an asshole? Uhhh huh.

[Blurred]

But was his mistake bigger than the one made by Bush in connecting Iraq with 9/11? Did invading Iraq actually make anyone safer?

I've said it a million times, so I'll say it for you once more.

Fact:Saddam paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers $25,000 a pop.
That's state sponsored terrorism my friend. In a post 9-11 era, Saddam was in a position to get knocked down. Weapons or not, his behavior showed that if he had them, he would.

Your question: Did invading Iraq make anyone safer? You'll have to ask a Kurd, Kuwaiti or Israeli for that answer.

[MassLiberal]

Kerry never he said that he witnessed children being raped. He was relating the stories that were told to him by other veterans.

Edit: Holy shit! when did I get over a thousand posts???? I need to get back to work.

[Cono Este]

And I don't have any idea whether this guy consented to have his image used in his movie or what the circumstances were around the footage being taken.

Great, so you have no idea wether the Micheal Moore had any legal right to use his image in his movie, but you think the lawsuit is frivilous.

A disabled vet does not have to agree or disagree with the war he was wounded in to feel he is entitled to protection from the law. This guy happens to support the war, thus your opinion of him.

Personally, I assume he might support the war because he left two arms over there, maybe he will feel different in 10yrs. Who knows?

Without knowing the legal specifications of any release he might have signed, I say he is entitled to be heard first. If their is no legal foundation for his claim it wil be dismissed. But until then, I can understand that no one, especially a disabled vet, would want to be portrayed like that in a piece of propoganda.

[TJ.Brk]

So Kerry was a big enough asshole that it's okay to call him an asshole? Uhhh huh.

I never called him an asshole. Have you read it in any of my posts. I'm just telling you what Veterans feel about him.

Once again you make a tongue in cheek insult because you don't have a true arguement to counter mine.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

That would be because the war bankrupted them, you know, the one isolationist republicans didn't want to get involved in.

And this is?

[TJ.Brk]

Kerry never he said that he witnessed children being raped. He was relating the stories that were told to him by other veterans.

Edit: Holy shit! when did I get over a thousand posts???? I need to get back to work.

Maybe you should go back and look at the footage. He said:"I witnessed" before each point in his testimony

[Dexter Rutecki]

And for that the swifboat vets for 'truth' [sic] will never forgive him.

Summit, you don't get it. When people claim the facts aren't true and present untrue 'facts' to prove otherwise, that needs to be addressed. I don't happen to have much of an issue with what Moore does with the facts as some do, but that he is almost entirely right on the facts is not in doubt.

[Dexter Rutecki]

My previous post was meant to be below massliberal's, not TJ's, which is once again wrong.

[Blurred]

BTW- Clinton being "offered" OBL by Sudan is purely apocryphal. The idea that OBL's ideological partner in assholeness would just give him to the US should strain the anyone's credulity but apparently, doesn't.

Here's some "apocryphal" shit for you:

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20page..._bin_laden.htm

You can thank Clinton for the TSA guy at the airport fondling your ballsack over and over.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Some of Kerry's testimony, representative of what he said:

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


Please stop posting in these threads TJ, what you believe to be true very rarely is.

[cj001f]

And this is?

Since you've shown yourself only capable of comprehending bumpersticker apropriate provincialisms, why would I bother to respond in anything but kind? I'd love to here more of your commentary on the ills of British imperialism, it's an amusing entre into the mindset, or absence of a mind, of some contemporary conservatives.

[grrrr]

Great, so you have no idea wether the Micheal Moore had any legal right to use his image in his movie, but you think the lawsuit is frivilous.

I mentioned consent, not legal right. You don't own the rights to footage or images other people take of you. Someone takes your picture, they own the picture. Not you.

This guy happens to support the war, thus your opinion of him.

Did I say that? Or are you talking out of your hat? My opinion of him is based solely on my utter disrespect for people people suing other people.

[TJ.Brk]

Some of Kerry's testimony, representative of what he said:

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


Please stop posting in these threads TJ, what you believe to be true very rarely is.

Your Second paragraph is from his opening. You did a Moore edit making it fit your point. Try putting up the entire thing Dex. You know put up the entire thing and let people judge for themselves instead of brow beating them. I get the feeling that if we were on a CNN interview you would be doing the DemoGod deal by screaming as loud as you can with no substance so no other opinion could be heard but yours and yours alone.

[iceman]

Your Second paragraph is from his opening. You did a Moore edit making it fit your point. Try putting up the entire thing Dex. You know put up the entire thing and let people judge for themselves instead of brow beating them. I get the feeling that if we were on a CNN interview you would be doing the DemoGod deal by screaming as loud as you can with no substance so no other opinion could be heard but yours and yours alone.

All I know is Dexter never bought an Aztek, so I'm going with his version.

[TJ.Brk]

All I know is Dexter never bought an Aztek, so I'm going with his version.

Bwaahahahahahahaha and it was an Asstek

[lemon boy]

I never called him an asshole. Have you read it in any of my posts. I'm just telling you what Veterans feel about him.

Once again you make a tongue in cheek insult because you don't have a true arguement to counter mine.

TJ- Hey man, don't get mad at me because you're not being consistent. You didn't have a problem with disparaging Kerry during the campaign and didn't tell everyone that the swifties should be ashamed but now somebody calls this guy an asshole and you get all bent out of shape. The argument that nobody should criticise a vetran or refer to them disparagingly is one that you yourself don't even stick to, why should you expect anyone else to?

Blurred - Infowars? I've gotta admit, I'm pretty dissapointed in you actually. There's lots of info out there on this topic from non-political/partisan sources.

And blaming Clinton for OBL and 9/11 is also totally specious. As is blaming the shrub, shrub sr and ronny ray gun.

[Blurred]

Blurred - Infowars? I've gotta admit, I'm pretty dissapointed in you actually. There's lots of info out there on this topic from non-political/partisan sources.

If you can pull your head out of your ass long enough to even read the link, (or click on it) you'd know it was from the LA Times.

And blaming Clinton for OBL and 9/11 is also totally specious. As is blaming the shrub, shrub sr and ronny ray gun.

Simple cause and effect. Don't let it go over your head.

[Dexter Rutecki]

TJ wants me to put up several hours of Kerry testimony? Maybe when I have more time I'll try to read more of the transcript, but from what I've glanced through he clearly was speaking as a representative of other vets and didn't claim their experiences as his own.

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And blaming Clinton for OBL and 9/11 is also totally specious. As is blaming the shrub, shrub sr and ronny ray gun.

Definitely... Seriously Brett, if anyone deserves blame, it's OBL himself.

Get a grip on your rhetoric, dude.

[TJ.Brk]

TJ- Hey man, don't get mad at me because you're not being consistent. You didn't have a problem with disparaging Kerry during the campaign and didn't tell everyone that the swifties should be ashamed but now somebody calls this guy an asshole and you get all bent out of shape. The argument that nobody should criticise a vetran or refer to them disparagingly is one that you yourself don't even stick to, why should you expect anyone else to?

There is a difference between the two and you would have to have served and be a Veteran to understand this. I in no way mean you or anybody else is less of a person or American because they didn't serve. I'm just telling you how he made many Veterans feel. Kerry broke the code. That is why most Veterans feel betrayed by him. Including me. I did like some of his ideas. But he turned his back on us once, what would stop him from doing it again.

Now this Sgt that lost his arms. Imagine how you would feel if you just lost a good portion of your body. Yet you are very proud of your service. Then you see your image on the screen making you look very bad to our piers. This Sgt in the movie was made to look very Kerryesc. This Sgt now has to rely upon Veterans services to get alot of things done for him. And this guy is remembered as "Micheal Moores Movie buddy". It adds difficulty for him unfortunately because he is remembered as such by the public from the millions that saw the film.

[TJ.Brk]

TJ wants me to put up several hours of Kerry testimony? Maybe when I have more time I'll try to read more of the transcript, but from what I've glanced through he clearly was speaking as a representative of other vets and didn't claim their experiences as his own.

I have a copy of the transcript if you would like me to send you a copy. Or you can get your own from the Library of Congress