Good story about that wonderful Moore guy!

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Teej, you might want to use some logic in those statements, sure it's emotionally charged subject, but don't base your argument off feeling.

Says the bleeding heart liberal.......

[grrrr]

Stupid lawsuits are proof enough of assholity.

[MassLiberal]

Nor should you type cast me. Some of the most logical policies in American history have come from liberal thinkers. Containment, Social Security, Marshall Plan etc.. the right has given us what exactly? Supply side economics?

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That is a matter of opinion

Brits aren't getting enough American protection now? Boo hoo, cry me a river. (how's that citizenship coming along?)

[TJ.Brk]

(how's that citizenship coming along?)

Yes I'm passionate about this topic and Veterans. Any of you spend any time at a VA hospital lately? I have. It is shameful some of the remarks made against our armed service personel in this thread. It makes me feel like the clock got turned back to 1975.

Frankly this thread has turned into the political trash pile. With both the right and left being full of shit, and not willing to listen to any common sense ideas and viewpoints. All they can do is dig down and throw insults because they don't have any real answers or plans to solve those problems.

[PNWbrit]

Brits aren't getting enough American protection now? Boo hoo, cry me a river. (how's that citizenship coming along?)

Didn't you hear no one needs any U.S. protection after Bush caught Bin Laden hiding in Saddams spare room, found the WMD's, was greeeted as a saviour in the streets of Iraq and brought peace love and harmony to the whole Middle East. We can just sit around and wait for the rapture now.

My citizenship is fine and has been for a long time - but thanks for asking.

[Cono Este]

Stupid lawsuits are proof enough of assholity.

There are plenty of stupid lawsuits. This lawsuit might not have any legal reason to support it, i dont know. Defamation of character? Is there a lawyer in the house?

Anyway, if you enlisted in the military to serve your country, lost both your arms in a combat zone, and then ended up as a prop in a propoganda movie you'd be pissed.

The thing about lawsuits is that they go to a jury, and jury's are capable of anything.

And shame on whoever calls this guy an asshole. He signed up to serve our country, and go where asked to, regardless of his political ideaology. Instead of purple heart, or arms, he has to be remebered as the guy who lost his arms for Micheal Moore and not his country. Moore cashed in on him in the worst way, he should have at least done something for a disabled vet. I saw him on the news last night, some veterans org. built him a freakin house. What did Micheal do with those millions? Eat?

Tell me again. Which asshole is cashing in on which asshole? I think some of you have it backwards.

[TJ.Brk]

There are plenty of stupid lawsuits. This lawsuit might not have any legal reason to support it, i dont know. Defamation of character? Is there a lawyer in the house?

Anyway, if you enlisted in the military to serve your country, lost both your arms in a combat zone, and then ended up as a prop in a propoganda movie you'd be pissed.

The thing about lawsuits is that they go to a jury, and jury's are capable of anything.

And shame on whoever calls this guy an asshole. He signed up to serve our country, and go where asked to, regardless of his political ideaology. Instead of purple heart, or arms, he has to be remebered as the guy who lost his arms for Micheal Moore and not his country. Moore cashed in on him in the worst way, he should have at least done something for a disabled vet. I saw him on the news last night, some veterans org. built him a freakin house. What did Micheal do with those millions? Eat?

Tell me again. Which asshole is cashing in on which asshole? I think some of you have it backwards.

Very well stated.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Nor should you type cast me. Some of the most logical policies in American history have come from liberal thinkers. Containment, Social Security, Marshall Plan etc.. the right has given us what exactly? Supply side economics?

National Parks(Roosevelt), EPA, Clean Air/Water Act and OSHA(Nixon, see he wasn't all evil), a beefed Endangered Species Act(Nixon and Bush senior, I think)

[MassLiberal]

Teddy was a progressive, so he doesn't really count. (before wilson, republicans were generally more liberal)

EPA?Clean Water Act were more of Nader's doing than anyone elses

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Didn't you hear no one needs any U.S. protection after Bush caught Bin Laden hiding in Saddams spare room, found the WMD's, was greeeted as a saviour in the streets of Iraq and brought peace love and harmony to the whole Middle East. We can just sit around and wait for the rapture now.

My citizenship is fine and has been for a long time - but thanks for asking.

Yeah no one need us 'cause you guys did such a great job carving up the Middle East when you left. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as well, bang up job mates!

[Dexter Rutecki]

And for meatpuppet and the similarly brainwashed, here is the debunking of the supposed inaccuracies in MM's film:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/18/173312/462

Again, lots of people complaining about Moore's tactics, but on the facts he is right, and it's easy enough to verify most of them. A lot of what Moore did was bring attention to what had been underreported.

[PNWbrit]

National Parks(Roosevelt), EPA, Clean Air/Water Act and OSHA(Nixon, see he wasn't all evil), a beefed Endangered Species Act(Nixon and Bush senior, I think)

Kind of ironic how they're pretty much all getting fucked over by the current republican government?

[TJ.Brk]

And for meatpuppet and the similarly brainwashed, here is the debunking of the supposed inaccuracies in MM's film:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/18/173312/462

Again, lots of people complaining about Moore's tactics, but on the facts he is right, and it's easy enough to verify most of them. A lot of what Moore did was bring attention to what had been underreported.

I always knew that you were Micheal Moore in a Dexter Ruteki skin suit

And using a biased liberal article is certainly not debunking anything.

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Didn't you hear no one needs any U.S. protection after Bush caught Bin Laden hiding in Saddams spare room, found the WMD's, was greeeted as a saviour in the streets of Iraq and brought peace love and harmony to the whole Middle East. We can just sit around and wait for the rapture now.

My citizenship is fine and has been for a long time - but thanks for asking.

I'd be curious to see how you felt if Clinton did the same exact things. Of course, if Clinton was proactive, and took Osama when he was offered to us, 9-11 would have never happened and chances are, we wouldn't be in Iraq.
Guess he was spending his time getting an "innocent blowjob" instead of taking matters into his own hands. (so to speak)

[cj001f]

Yeah no one need us 'cause you guys did such a great job carving up the Middle East when you left. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as well, bang up job mates!

That would be because the war bankrupted them, you know, the one isolationist republicans didn't want to get involved in. Most of the other you are giving credit to R's for.... were passed under a D congress. Fucking jongs get dumber by the day.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Teddy was a progressive, so he doesn't really count. (before wilson, republicans were generally more liberal)

EPA?Clean Water Act were more of Nader's doing than anyone elses

Progressive or not I sure as shit wouldn't want to be the one to tell Teddy he doesn't count. . And I guess all those things you mentioned happened in a vacuum huh? with no bipartisan help?

[lemon boy]

It is shameful some of the remarks made against our armed service personel in this thread. It makes me feel like the clock got turned back to 1975.

Yeah TJ, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for all the times during the last election that you stood up for John Kerry when the swifties turned the clock back to 1975

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

That would be because the war bankrupted them, you know, the one isolationist republicans didn't want to get involved in. Most of the other you are giving credit to R's for.... were passed under a D congress. Fucking jongs get dumber by the day.

Oh I see, its our fault they wanted to colonize half the world and tried to hold on to it until the bitter end(their exit from India was not exactly voluntary), my bad. Man, PNWBrit must be right, we are a bunch of assholes

[MassLiberal]

I wouldn't call the trust busting, government expanding Teddy Roosevelt a conservative. But I would call him one of the greatest presidents in the nation's history.

[Dexter Rutecki]

TJ, if you want to disagree with something as untrue just calling it 'liberal' doesn't do the trick. Just as (correctly) labeling the original source the product of a far-right group wouldn't necessarily prove it wrong (but should make you very suspicious of it).
If anything the past several years have shown many of Moore's opinions to be correct--and what he presented as fact is almost entirely just that. All I can see here is that he did what most filmmakers do in terms of editing, and didn't always fully represent the other side, but that's not really his job.

[grrrr]

Tell me again. Which asshole is cashing in on which asshole? I think some of you have it backwards.

I never said Moore wasn't an asshole. Nor do I support his movies, nor have I even watched them. And I don't have any idea whether this guy consented to have his image used in his movie or what the circumstances were around the footage being taken.

Regardless, his suing over his footage being used in a movie he disagrees with is frivolous and stupid, as much as it would be if Moore sued over someone using footage of him to make the left look stupid.

Don't let your politics blind you to plain old assholeness. this country may be better for the soldiers that serve it, but it is certainly not better for people dragging everything into court.

[summit]

Dex this thread is FULL of intelligent people who see Moore's dishonest techniques for what they are, even though many of them share his political sentiments.

Everyone else is arguing over wether Moore's creativity with the truth is justifiable. YOU are the ONLY person who has posted in this thread who is so enamored with that fatass that you think he can't tell a lie or twist the truth just because you like what he is saying and it feels good. You are the liberal equivelent of a Rush Limbaugh "Ditto-Head."

Maybe this highschooler can teach you something: http://www.summitdaily.com/article/2...NEWS/105310043

Anyway, if you enlisted in the military to serve your country, lost both your arms in a combat zone, and then ended up as a prop in a propoganda movie you'd be pissed.

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And shame on whoever calls this guy an asshole. He signed up to serve our country, and go where asked to, regardless of his political ideaology. Instead of purple heart, or arms, he has to be remebered as the guy who lost his arms for Micheal Moore and not his country. Moore cashed in on him in the worst way, he should have at least done something for a disabled vet. I saw him on the news last night, some veterans org. built him a freakin house. What did Micheal do with those millions? Eat?

Tell me again. Which asshole is cashing in on which asshole? I think some of you have it backwards.

Best summary of the Moore/Lawsuit situation yet.

[PNWbrit]

I'd be curious to see how you felt if Clinton did the same exact things. Of course, if Clinton was proactive, and took Osama when he was offered to us, 9-11 would have never happened and chances are, we wouldn't be in Iraq.
Guess he was spending his time getting an "innocent blowjob" instead of taking matters into his own hands. (so to speak)

I absolutely agree Clintoon made a huge mistake not taking him out earlier. Seem to remember when he did attack Sudanese and Afghan bases it was condemed by the Republicans as him trying to cover up the BJ.

But was his mistake bigger than the one made by Bush in connecting Iraq with 9/11? Did invading Iraq actually make anyone safer?

[TJ.Brk]

Yeah TJ, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for all the times during the last election that you stood up for John Kerry when the swifties turned the clock back to 1975

Where in my post did you not see how I said both sides pull stupid games. But let me explain something to you. What Kerry did in his FALSE testimony to congress (said he witnessed children raped, women murdered, mass exicusions which he never saw) was basically putting a GIGANTIC KNIFE in the back of each Veteran.

Lets remember that Kerry used footage of his testimony in his early election campaigns to start his political career to get him elected.


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