Good story about that wonderful Moore guy!

[PNWbrit]

Silly limey you are a prime example. I am not sure if you are a citizen yet, or why you would ever be one, but if you are, I think you have traveled enough to understand what it is I am saying.

Alot of people are preconditioned to believe what they see, and have little reason to question why some of the movie could be propoganda.Why would they want to? For that, I consider the movie to be irresponsible.

I am sure you would agree with the Bush "ball dropping though" too bad you miss shit like that.

Sorry about your pooch.

Of course I agree that Bush dropped the ball - but the rest of the world has every right to comment on it. For the most part I think their views are better informed and less partisan than the average Americans.

My citizenship is none of your business and irrelevant to this discussion.

[cj001f]

How about William Jefferson getting caught with $90,000 in cash in his freezer in his government office that we paid for. And now politicians on both sides are whining about the legality of the search, a warrant for which was issued by a Federal judge. I hate them all, only criminals and megalomaniacs go into politics now.

With an electorate who can neither read nor keep facts straight what do you expect?

$90k in his home

[Cono Este]

So.. you consider this movie irresponsible. Do you consider any actions of the Bush administration "irresponsible"??

Of course I do.

But the real questions is, why did Micheal Moore have to try too hard then?

[Cono Este]

Sorry about your pooch.

Of course I agree that Bush dropped the ball - but the rest of the world has every right to comment on it. For the most part I think their views are better informed and less partisan than the average Americans.

My citizenship is none of your business and irrelevant to this discussion.

Why dont you go picket Downing street then? Obviously your efforts there have gone un noticed thus far.

And if the rest of the world is using Farenheit 911 as a basis for their opinion on anything, then their opinion and agenda is obvious.

[MassLiberal]

I don't think that it is worth going too far down this road that Michael Moore should refrain from critiquing the government because it hurts the US.

One of the things that differentiates our country from those in which they cheer the events of 9/11 is that we are able to speak freely about our disagreements.

The united states could do a lot more to regain it's mantle as a beloved leader of the world by addressing some of the policy mistakes made over the past few years, than by censoring those who make their opinions public.

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The united states could do a lot more to regain it's mantle as a beloved leader of the world

LOL. When was this?

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

For the most part I think their views are better informed and less partisan than the average Americans.

What an original sentiment. If you truly believe this then may I ask, why the fuck are you here instead of home protesting your own governments involvment in the war instead of hanging out with all us partisan, uninformed assholes?

[mr_gyptian]

Dexter you can't be serious.

unfortunately he is dead serious.

[klar]

So you are saying it's to lie to and mislead the "uniformed americans" because the other side is lying to them too. Just Machavellian/Realpolitik I suppose.

from the idealistic moral standpoint that, in the somewhat intangible world of political discussion in cyberspace, is easy to take: no, of course it is not ok.
things tend to be a lot clearer in an idealized environment, be it scientific or ethical. however, we do not live in an ideal world. historically, realpolitik has a lot to do with maintaining a balance of power. if you have a choice between giving up your influence, which is power, in a particular matter, leaving the field to someone of directly opposed views who is "fighting dirty" by sticking to rules only you care about or keeping yourself in the game by moving down to the other's level, and you choose fairplay, then you have every right to get 'holier than thou' tatooed on your forehead. in sports, the fairplay awards are nice to have but usually go to losing parties.

what i am trying to say is: imo the us administration and people like michael moore deserve each other. the public deserves neither.

as for the perception of moore's films in europe, i disagree with the idea that continental, non-englishspeaking europeans are per definition completely "clueless about the accuracy of the movie". if they liked the films they did so because they like being confirmed in their opinions, i do not think it has much to do with where you are from. what bothers me more is that many europeans seem to forget that, not being from america, their judgemental opinions of america are always somewhat presumptuous. not that we shouldn't have opinions, we just shouldn't be so selfrighteous.

[Cono Este]

I don't think that it is worth going too far down this road that Michael Moore should refrain from critiquing the government because it hurts the US.

One of the things that differentiates our country from those in which they cheer the events of 9/11 is that we are able to speak freely about our disagreements.

The united states could do a lot more to regain it's mantle as a beloved leader of the world by addressing some of the policy mistakes made over the past few years, than by censoring those who make their opinions public.

Censor? certainly not. But for every American that has to "seperate the bullshit from the truth" there is another person from another country who is getting a woody from it all. And while some may enjoy all that support, just know at the end of the day, they are not our friends and never were.

I'm no trying to ban it, i'm just glad this soldier is sueing that fat ass.

[MassLiberal]

LOL. When was this?

1941 - 1997

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1941 - 1997

According to who? The Japanese, Germans, Koreans, Vietmanese, Russians, or Cubans?

[Cono Este]

Your right, we did let the Vietnamese and the Cubans down. But I would argue that the Marshall Plan did alot for Germany and Japan. Especially after exchanging so many bullets with them.

Just ask all the limey's, they were jealous. Winning the war did not help them rebuild anything.

[MeatPuppet]

here we go -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/18/173312/462

http://www.opednews.com/wade_071004_deception.htm

Thanks, I'll take a look at these when I get back from work tonight.

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So to be "beloved" we just have to drop some atomic bombs. I say we start with the whole middle east.

[BLOOD SWEAT STEEL]

According to who? The Japanese, Germans, Koreans, Vietmanese, Russians, or Cubans?

.....The Somalis.

[Cono Este]

How about the French, Germans, Japanese, Philipinos, Indonesians, New Caledonians, Solomon Islanders, New guineans, Chinese, Libyians, Morrocans, Eygptions, Tunisians, English, Italians, Germans, dutch, Polish, Norweigans, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Ukraninans, all the the other "ans" including Afghanistan.

oh, and the mexicans. We cannot forget cinco de mayo.

Maybe Chile too, but I am not prepared for all the insults today.

I have just have time to squeek one more in, how about the Kurds? (as I duck)

Anyway I'm off for now, AK POgue yours are the best flame wars.

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How about the French, English, Italians, dutch, Polish, Norweigans, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Ukraninans, all the the other "ans" including Afghanistan.

You mean the whites?

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.....The Somalis.

Don't forget the Ethiopians. We are the world. We were "beloved" then.

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How about the French, Germans, Japanese, Philipinos, Indonesians, New Caledonians, Solomon Islanders, New guineans, Chinese, Libyians, Morrocans, Eygptions, Tunisians, English, Italians, Germans, dutch, Polish, Norweigans, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Ukraninans, all the the other "ans" including Afghanistan.

Too bad you can't blame all that on GWB. He's the real reason the world hates us.

[mr_gyptian]

According to who? The Japanese, Germans, Koreans, Vietmanese, Russians, or Cubans?

no wait, he must be referring to the South Americans. or no, maybe its the Iranians? surely not.

I'm stumped, I guess I've got to go with Libya for $1000?

[Viva]

So to be "beloved" we just have to drop some atomic bombs. I say we start with the whole middle east.

We should first to do a test drop on Berkeley.

[LegoSkier]

We should first to do a test drop on Berkeley.

You can't do that. Its a nuclear free zone.

As for Moore. Similar to crazy Ted in that other article, I put people into two categories: uniters and dividers. Moore is a divider and so is Bush. Two dividers don't make a uniter and sure as hell don't do the world much good.

[The AD]

We should first to do a test drop on Berkeley.

Viva, I'm shocked! I would have expected you'd propose a test drop on the Rose Bowl.

[powder4breakfast]

It's the fact that Michael Moore has to skew things from their original state to make his points. If his beliefs are true, more of Farenheight 911 would have been presented in full context. Or, he would have found other edits that fully proved his points without butchering them. That being said, anyone who took that movie as all fact and believed it, has bigger issues than Moore as well as some crazy oppinions based on half truths at best.