Good story about that wonderful Moore guy!

[TJ.Brk]

Trust me, as a staffer for the campaign, this is exactly what happened. All mid level staff wanted to kill the handlers, they were the definition of what is wrong with democrats, they over analyzed every single action. As a team we BEGGED mary beth cahill to fire them and let the Senator fly unscripted.

As a person, Kerry is an incredibly genuine guy who's fun to be around, but everyone on the campaign was so obsessed with being perfect they neglected to be real.

Yes truly unfortunate for his campaign. But lets keep this creative both sides of of the fence LISTENING AND THINKING GOING.

I want to ask you all to do this. If you are Republican pretend you are a very liberal democrat. Seriously think about, and I do mean seriously. Give yourself alot of time before you post up your response. As a republican pretending to be a serious democrat what person would you what to see represent the Democratic party for President and why?

Now you Democrats I want you to pretend that you are a Republican and what Presidential candidate you would want to represent the Republican party and why. But put forth a serious thought effort and think like you are a serious conservative Republican.

Frankly my dream Presidential election would be McCain or Powell for the Republican party. And the junior Senator from Illinois as the Democratic nominee. All are free open minded thinkers, statesman, and leaders that our country needs.

[Cono Este]

Trust me, as a staffer for the campaign, this is exactly what happened. All mid level staff wanted to kill the handlers, they were the definition of what is wrong with democrats, they over analyzed every single action. As a team we BEGGED mary beth cahill to fire them and let the Senator fly unscripted.

As a person, Kerry is an incredibly genuine guy who's fun to be around, but everyone on the campaign was so obsessed with being perfect they neglected to be real.

Please God give us a genuine candidate in 2008. I dont care what party he is from. I think TJ nailed it. No hillary, no Jed, no more bs.

Biden seems allright.

[summit]

VORD

Vote Out Republicans and Democrats

[TJ.Brk]

Biden seems allright.

Killer Joe Biden wants nothing but power. That is the feeling I get from him anyway and from the time I met him at 8th & I. Man scares me, he over reacts alot.

To be honest I think Powell, or the Sen from Illinois is America's best hope for a President that can truely lead from a point of respect and honor. Which is what the President must have to realistically be the leader of the free world.

[Cono Este]

Killer Joe Biden wants nothing but power. That is the feeling I get from him anyway and from the time I met him at 8th & I. Man scares me, he over reacts alot.

To be honest I think the Powell or the Sen from Illinois is the countries best hope for a true President that can actually lead from a point of respect and honor. Which is what the President must have to truly be the leader of the free world.

Bush might have buried Powell and others.

[TJ.Brk]

Bush might have buried Powell and others.

I don't believe so. Infact from what I've been told Powell not running had more to do with pressure for him not to run than anything else. Powell would have buried bush for sure. He had minorities, veterans, seniors, and fence sitters voting for him if he would have run. He would have won hands down. Blue collar boy that educated himself and served his country. He would have won by a landslide because he would have remained himself throughout the election. His speeches prove that.

[Cono Este]

I don't believe so. Infact from what I've been told Powell not running had more to do with pressure for him not to run than anything else. Powell would have buried bush for sure. He had minorities, veterans, seniors, and fence sitters voting for him if he would have run. He would have won hands down. Blue collar boy that educated himself and served his country. He would have won by a landslide because he would have remained himself throughout the election. His speeches prove that.

No, i mean his stint as sec of state for bush might bury him in the future.

[Cyber Cop]

Frankly my dream Presidential election would be McCain or Powell for the Republican party. And the junior Senator from Illinois as the Democratic nominee. All are free open minded thinkers, statesman, and leaders that our country needs.

I could vote for McCain. We don't mesh world view, but I see him as someone who speaks what he thinks without taking a litmus test first. I would have voted for him in 2000 had he won the primary and I don't vote repub. I like Obama, but time will tell if he can keep that honesty. Really I would be happy with McCain in 08. I think he has the "gravitas " to fix Iraq. Honestley I would be scared of how most dems would handle Iraq. In my view it's fucked, but you can't just run away because you changed policy???

[TJ.Brk]

No, i mean his stint as sec of state for bush might bury him in the future.

I think him leaving after the first term would cancel that out. Or atleast be used as a sound bite that might be effective on damage control. He would be a very strong candidate.

[TJ.Brk]

I could vote for McCain. We don't mesh world view, but I see him as someone who speaks what he thinks without taking a litmus test first. I would have voted for him in 2000 had he won the primary and I don't vote repub.

" to fix Iraq. Honestley I would be scared of how most dems would handle Iraq. In my view it's fucked, but you can't just run away because you changed policy???

Yes McCain would do well. Just from his stint as a POW you know he has the stones to see things through.

Yes any Democrat in charge other than Obama is troubling. Not much creative thinking on long term solutions on their part so far. Dean is not helping them at all. He got brought on board as the chairman because of his fundraising. But he really hurts them as far as voters goes. Democrats cannot possibly vote Dean out as chairman because we are so close to midterm elections. But once those are done Dean will be gone then you might see a change in Democrats policy regarding Iraq

[TJ.Brk]

I like Michael Moore...Supersize Me was a great movie...

JONG JONG JONG!!!!!!!! Moore didn't make that movie rookie

[TJ.Brk]

He was great on Family Ties...didn't he play Skippy..lol

If you have any of what you are smoking could you please send some to me. It must be really something else.

[TJ.Brk]

Will do...Leary biscuits...

Bwahahahahaha. Ok know I know you are from my generation.

[MassLiberal]

I could vote for McCain. We don't mesh world view, but I see him as someone who speaks what he thinks without taking a litmus test first. I would have voted for him in 2000 had he won the primary and I don't vote repub. I like Obama, but time will tell if he can keep that honesty. Really I would be happy with McCain in 08. I think he has the "gravitas " to fix Iraq. Honestley I would be scared of how most dems would handle Iraq. In my view it's fucked, but you can't just run away because you changed policy???

Don't tell me you've bought into the media lovefest with McCain. Yes I respect him as a war hero, but I have serious problems with someone who stands behind Bush after he called his wife a drug addict and hinted that he had an illegitimate love child with a black woman in order to squeek by in South Carolina. Plus, his recent pandering to the lunatic fringe of the right wing has been disturbing (saying that he would have signed the S. Dakota abortion law is only one such instance)

The real rising star of the republican party is Mike Huckabee, Gov of arkansas. Also, I find Warner pretty appealing.

[Cono Este]

Don't tell me you've bought into the media lovefest with McCain. Yes I respect him as a war hero, but I have serious problems with someone who stands behind Bush after he called his wife a drug addict and hinted that he had an illegitimate love child with a black woman in order to squeek by in South Carolina. Plus, his recent pandering to the lunatic fringe of the right wing has been disturbing (saying that he would have signed the S. Dakota abortion law is only one such instance)

The real rising star of the republican party is Mike Huckabee, Gov of arkansas. Also, I find Warner pretty appealing.

Come on ML, bang your head on the desk and give us a name. You can delete it later.

[TJ.Brk]

The real rising star of the republican party is Mike Huckabee, Gov of arkansas. Also, I find Warner pretty appealing.

I find Huckabee appealing but unfortunately I feel the Republican political marking machine would work him as the Republican Southern Bill Clinton. He needs to win a higher office first before he is a politically viable Republican candidate to just get away from that comparison question that may arrise. He needs that "Senator" monicur on his letterhead first.

Warner is a big ?????????????? he flip flops to much to carry fence sitter voters, and has communication problems with the public getting his true beliefs out there.

McCain was brilliant in letting out that multi racial love child of his in his last attempt at getting the nomination. Simply brilliant. He knew that it would be used against him. He also knew that the climate would be different in this upcoming Presidential election because there was a very good chance he would be facing a women or minority which would make this point mute if they tried to use it against him.

Mainly because if a women/minority Presidential candidate used it against him they would be seen as being week on issues. Left with only trying to hurt McCain on personal issues to try and swing votes because they had no solid platform/ideas to run on.

McCains handlers were brilliant in handling that. Took that issue right off of the table in the next election if he wins the Republican nomination.

[MassLiberal]

Senator on his letterhead?? Believe me, the last thing that you want on your resume is a senate career, there is way to much to use against you (hence forth the warner accusation of a flip flip flop).


McCain's long Senate career will hurt him in the long run, as there is too much for his opponent's both republican and democrat to use against him. Coupled with the fact that he has stood by the president's Iraq policy without batting an eye spells doom for him in 08.

And spare me the thought of him letting the multiracial love child go, because it can't be used against him, he adopted a child from abroad, and the whispering campaign against it could only be started from another republican.

Also, the base hates him for some reason or another.

[Cyber Cop]

Don't tell me you've bought into the media lovefest with McCain. Yes I respect him as a war hero, but I have serious problems with someone who stands behind Bush after he called his wife a drug addict and hinted that he had an illegitimate love child with a black woman in order to squeek by in South Carolina. Plus, his recent pandering to the lunatic fringe of the right wing has been disturbing (saying that he would have signed the S. Dakota abortion law is only one such instance)

The real rising star of the republican party is Mike Huckabee, Gov of arkansas. Also, I find Warner pretty appealing.

hmmm, I haven't paid much attention to the details lately, but my past impressions are he is a solid guy. I guess I get the sense that he works for compromise while standing behind his views. I can respect someone with different views if I think they listen and accept alternatives. But it is hard to know the truth through the media lense.

On the other hand, every Dem I voted for in 00 has supported the war and offered very little real dissent. So really I'm at a loss. I absolutely won't waste my vote on another pandering Dem. I hope that you, as someone in the circle, will relay that. Seriously. I'm fed up with liberals. I don't know where my vote belongs, but the dems are in a serious crises. I'm ready for a 3rd party in this country.

I live in a very "liberal" small city. All I see is a bunch of dumbass rich assholes who think sticking a "No War" sticker on their Lexus SUV somehoh makes them different from bush. No, it doesen't.

Anyway????? I dunno. I want a real difference.

[MassLiberal]

Come on ML, bang your head on the desk and give us a name. You can delete it later.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Cyber Cop]

What the fuck are you talking about?

He wants you to spill the beans about Dean's love child.

[Tippster]

If we want to see an election that would raise the discourse in politics and just plain being an "American' we could do worse than a race between Chuck Hegel for the Republicans and Mark Warner of the Democrats. That would actually be about ISSUES, rather than shitslinging innuendo-filled partisan hack bullshit.

As a life-long Democrat I would have no qualms with either of these guys winning.... but I would vote for Hegel. (Staying consistent with what I've said before about Warner.)

Naturally such a high level of discourse is exactly what the powerbrokers do NOT want, so we'll get Hillary vs. Frist or somesuch shit.

[MassLiberal]

I wouldn't say the dems are in serious crises, I would say that there is an 70% chance that we take back the house this fall, and then you would probably see them form an agenda. If you remember, it wasn't until the Republicans took control of the house in 1994 that they came up with their "contract with america."

Till then, especially with house races, all politics are local, and for the most part the Dems task this fall will be to take popular revulsion at the Reps national policy and tie it into local issues.

[MassLiberal]

By the way, TJ, Hagel was who I was tinking about, not Warner. Though I do respect both, Hagel would be a better shot for the Rs.

I do think that Huckabee or giuliani will be the candidate though.

[Cyber Cop]

ML, What do you think of Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)? I've always admired him for the same qualities I see in McCain. Seriously, I would think long and hard on McCain before casting my vote with the religious right, but I would rather register a protest vote instead of vote for the machine again.

[Cyber Cop]

P.S. I know he's not running. Who are the likely dem canidates?