Good story about that wonderful Moore guy!

**Cono Este** · 06-02-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by grrrr

I mentioned consent, not legal right. You don't own the rights to footage or images other people take of you. Someone takes your picture, they own the picture. Not you.

Did I say that? Or are you talking out of your hat? My opinion of him is based solely on my utter disrespect for people people suing other people.

Lawsuits and the civil courts are an important part of law and order. We cannot just throw everyone in jail. Their has to be some form of punsihement or legal remedy for non criminal related disputes.

So if someone crashes into your car without insurance, how do expect to be made whole without the legal right to do so? You expect the guy to just hand it over? What if he does not? Certainlly we should not fill our jails up uninsured drivers, their has to be another remedy.

People have to be held responsible for their actions. Without that, certain parts of our society would fail while a few reaped the rewards of lawlessness. Wether Micheal Moore should be, we shall see.

**Blurred** · 06-02-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by TJ.Brk

Typical BS arguement trying to make me look bad by implying that I said Terrorism didn't exist untill 9/11, and by trying to associate myself with boring boob that I can't stand. We both know that is incorrect. I've served many different times in the Middle East. Even as a UN Peace Keeper in the Sinai. I know the climate very well.

They're all scrambling with lame fodder. Guess using logic is too difficult for them. What do you know though?

**Cyber Cop** · 06-02-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

Just because Lemon Boy doesn't think it's credible....that means about nothing seeing that it's coming from a guy that doesn't even read the article and doesn't know it was in the LA Times. Pull your head out of the sand and look around, you might learn something instead of the brainwashed crap you've been spoonfed. I'm done with you, you're like arguing with Dex.
Gullible libtard idealogues as one maggot put it sums it up about right. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

dumbass, I would send you a mirror, but I can't find the button to do that. bummer.

**Blurred** · 06-02-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

dumbass, I would send you a mirror, but I can't find the button to do that. bummer.

Kneejerk response from a moron. How predictable.

**MassLiberal** · 06-02-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

They're all scrambling with lame fodder. Guess using logic is too difficult for them. What do you know though?

Wow, using an ad hominem attack in your accusation of illogical arguments?

Well done.

**Cyber Cop** · 06-02-2006, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

Kneejerk response from a moron. How predictable.

Lots of predictable assholes round these parts. The funny ones are the dipshits like you who don't know it.

**Blurred** · 06-02-2006, 01:15 PM

We've arrived at the "you're a douchebag" part of the thread folks.

Who'd have ever thought a Michael Moore thread could degenerate like this?

**iceman** · 06-02-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by lemon boy

Part of being a big boy is taking your lumps and reading shit you sign before you sign it.

I keep wondering about that part. I mean, he got his arms blown off, how did he sign anything?

**TJ.Brk** · 06-02-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

Being a grunt in the mid-east doesn't give you an understanding of the politics in a part of the world you have only seen through the eyes of military service. Can you speak the language? Do you deeply understand the cultural and religious history that contributes to the polotics of the region. My point was not that my assessment was correct or informed, but saying it's clintons fault etc etc etc is the same stupid line of reasoning. Simple conclusion = simple solutions.

Speak the language. I know the basics of 3 of the main languages spoken throughout the region.

Do I deeply understand the cultural and religous history of the region. Yes it was manditory as part of my training. My unit primarily worked in the Muslm Pacific rims countries and the Middle East. I've read thoroughly the 3 different version of the Koran along with associate readings to back Sunni or Shite viewpoints. (did you know Mohammands great flight started because he was an adulter and theif and was trying to get away from prosicution. During his time in the desert is when he had his "Great Awakening to Allah" and his visions)

I never said it was Clintons fault. Infact if you do a search of all of my posts I've never said it was Clintons fault. Going back and pointing blame is useless and doesn't get the job done.

**MassLiberal** · 06-02-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

We've arrived at the "you're a douchebag" part of the thread folks.

Who'd have ever thought a Michael Moore thread could degenerate like this?

Well, we've descended into douche baggery before and were able to salvage it. Let's see what happens this time

**Cyber Cop** · 06-02-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by TJ.Brk

Speak the language. I know the basics of 3 of the main languages spoken throughout the region.

Do I deeply understand the cultural and religous history of the region. Yes it was manditory as part of my training. My unit primarily worked in the Muslm Pacific rims countries and the Middle East.

My point exactly, you speak a few phrases and have been there on a military tour "with training" but somehow you are a mid east expert. Get a clue.

**Cyber Cop** · 06-02-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by MassLiberal

Well, we've descended into douche baggery before and were able to salvage it. Let's see what happens this time

heh, an optimist.

I meant optometrist

**MassLiberal** · 06-02-2006, 01:22 PM

I've always tried my hardest to think positively. Plus, I hope this gets salvaged, it's either that or do work, and I definitely don't want anything to do with the latter.

**TJ.Brk** · 06-02-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cyber Cop

My point exactly, you speak a few phrases and have been there on a military tour "with training" but somehow you are a mid east expert. Get a clue.

Son you don't have a clue about what I did in the Military and I'm not going to drag it out in here. But you are way way incorrect in your assumptions. A few years is not just some little tour.

**Cono Este** · 06-02-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by MassLiberal

What other way was there? He was testifying to the fact that the our government was lying to us while at the same time destroying the lives of young americans.

GW1 was not stopped by the UN, that's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard. HW BUsh, an actual statesmen knew that any occupation of I raq qould be a disaster.

I would definetly agree with that. In fact, he allowed the Iraqis to fly helicopters around to keep control of the shites and kurds afterwards. And later pulled the plug on the kurdish. He definetly understood how destabilizing it would have been at that time to have removed Saddam.

He could have easily operated around the UN Mandate at that time. He was in fact by allowing the cia to briefly train the Kurdish. I am surprised the Kurds have forgotten about that one, maybe they have not.

13 · 06-02-2006, 01:26 PM

Brett,

It's funny that you'd trust the word of a reporter citing a source he "can't divulge" over U.S. military action that very nearly got him at Tarnak.

Prince Turki al Faisal of the house of Saud is the one who "offered" OBL's head to the Clinton administration without actually having him in custody.

There's a history lesson for you.

It kind of figures that you'd trust a reporter from a liberal media outlet that lacks facts rather than do your homework and find some real facts.

**MassLiberal** · 06-02-2006, 01:26 PM

The kurds are pretty solidly in the "pro US" camp, I believe.

**TJ.Brk** · 06-02-2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

I would definetly agree with that. In fact, he allowed the Iraqis to fly helicopters around to keep control of the shites and kurds afterwards. And later pulled the plug on the kurdish. He definetly understood how destabilizing it would have been at that time to have removed Saddam.

He could have easily operated around the UN Mandate at that time. He was in fact by allowing the cia to briefly train the Kurdish. I am surprised the Kurds have forgotten about that one, maybe they have not.

Actually those areas where the shite revolt started were not part of the no fly zones. Big mistake in not backing the Shites revolt. IMHO It was tough watching it.

And in order to use Saudi bases, along with the Egyption, Syrian, Saudi, UAB armies that fought along side of us. The agreement was made to only remove Saddam from Kuwait. If we would have gone further we would have had a serious mess on our hands because of the other Arab armies involved and the questions raised about what they would do if we went further. It was flip a coin on that aspect.

**Blurred** · 06-02-2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by 13

Brett,

It's funny that you'd trust the word of a reporter citing a source he "can't divulge" over U.S. military action that very nearly got him at Tarnak.

Prince Turki al Faisal of the house of Saud is the one who "offered" OBL's head to the Clinton administration without actually having him in custody.

There's a history lesson for you.

It kind of figures that you'd trust a reporter from a liberal media outlet that lacks facts rather than do your homework and find some real facts.

Among the many others who have pointed out Clinton’s negligence: former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, former Clinton adviser Dick Morris, the late author Barbara Olson, Russian President Vladimir Putin, Iraqi expert Laurie Mylroie, the CIA.

And the list grows: members of Congress, pundit Charles R. Smith, former Department of Energy official Notra Trulock, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, government counterterrorism experts, the law firm Judicial Watch, New Jersey gubernatorial candidate Bret Schundler, the liberal Boston Globe – and even Clinton himself.

**MassLiberal** · 06-02-2006, 01:34 PM

Are we really going to start arguing about whose fault it is that bin laden wasn't or hasn't been captured?

It's pretty pointless, and this thread will start to look like one discussing the pros and cons of Metrons of at epic.

**Cono Este** · 06-02-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by MassLiberal

The kurds are pretty solidly in the "pro US" camp, I believe.

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Yeah, but we really fucked them. Kind of like another bay of pigs. Got them all riled up and then pulled the plug. We let saddam fly his choppers around and whip ass to keep control.

There were definelty some plans to follow through after the UN mandate had been achieved. I dont quite remeber why we pulled the plug.

But who is to say Saddam would not have butchered them anyway. He was before.

We made a big mIstake not forcing saddam to sign the cease fire personally. We allowed him to save face and he immediately turned that to his advanatge.

edit. you would kow betetr than me, but i thought he was allowed to fly choopers at low level even within the no fly zones.

**Telefunken** · 06-02-2006, 01:39 PM

I'm not going to defend Michael Moore. I'm just curious about how you people who detest him for 'distorting' and 'misrepresenting' feel about the following people:

Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson

This isn't rhetorical. I really want to know how you feel about people who don't hire fact checkers (as Moor actually does), and just plain make shit up?

**MassLiberal** · 06-02-2006, 01:39 PM

We did fuck them, yeas, but they were able to create a semi autonomous state in the north due to our protections. What will be interesting is how things pan out between them and Turkey in the near future.

**TJ.Brk** · 06-02-2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

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Yeah, but we really fucked them. Kind of like another bay of pigs. Got them all riled up and then pulled the plug. We let saddam fly his choppers around and whip ass to keep control.

I fully agree. The CIA stepped on their dick big time on that one. Another reason why we referred to them as the "Lack of Intelligence Agency"