Take that, Barry Bonds

[powpig]

yes, there is man. the reason for the asterisk is to let people know in the future when steroid testing started. its a fact, i didnt make it up. go to espn.com and find out for yourself. there will be an asterisk next to barry bonds' name.

Was curious so I did go to espn.com but could find no such story or claim. Can you provide the link please? Otherwise I'm gonna have to call BULLSHIT!

It just makes no sense and seems ridiculous to me that MLB would put an asterisk next to any player's name who's never tested positive. Is it only Bonds you're claiming will have the asterisk or all MLB stats for the timeframe in question? How do we know which if any of the pitchers Bonds homered off of were on roids? They all tested as clean and roid free as Barry.

[JMan]

Was curious so I did go to espn.com but could find no such story or claim. Can you provide the link please? Otherwise I'm gonna have to call BULLSHIT!

It just makes no sense and seems ridiculous to me that MLB would put an asterisk next to any player's name who's never tested positive. Is it only Bonds you're claiming will have the asterisk or all MLB stats for the timeframe in question? How do we know which if any of the pitchers Bonds homered off of were on roids? They all tested as clean and roid free as Barry.

i guess i stand corrected, it is up for debate as we speak. they may use the asterisk to mention steroid testing had not be in effect and mlb had not made it "illegal" in the rule book.

[marshalolson]

... to mention steroid testing had not be in effect and mlb had not made it "illegal" in the rule book...

so how is it CHEATING if no rule was broken?

[Danno]

i guess i stand corrected, it is up for debate as we speak. they may use the asterisk to mention steroid testing had not be in effect and mlb had not made it "illegal" in the rule book.

so, does everyone prior to the recent testing get an asterisk?

[JMan]

so how is it CHEATING if no rule was broken?

whats with the caps? i can read normal font. lets say he admitted to using steroids, you dont consider using performance ENHANCING drugs cheating? rule or no rule?

[smmokan]

whats with the caps? i can read normal font. lets say he admitted to using steroids, you dont consider using performance ENHANCING drugs cheating? rule or no rule?

You have to be caught for it to be cheating.

[JMan]

You have to be caught for it to be cheating.

you're right. thats what is so upsetting about this situation. no one can honestly believe that bonds, mcgwire, sosa and that whole posse turned into super humans naturally. they looked like body builders.

[smmokan]

Why, because McGwire's forearms were as big as my legs? That's preponderous!

[JMan]

[Blurred]

So you mean a professional athlete, who has been paid millions of dollars to workout in the gym a couple times a week over a period of TWENTY YEARS has actually gained some muscle? That's just outlandish!!!

[JMan]

So you mean a professional athlete, who has been paid millions of dollars to workout in the gym a couple times a week over a period of TWENTY YEARS has actually gained some muscle? That's just outlandish!!!

30 lbs in one off-season is outlandish. especially at his age. those pictures dont do much justice b/c everyone gains weight from their rookie season to the end of their career.

a couple times a week!?! i would like to know how long you have to work out during those two days in order to look like a body builder. wow

[marshalolson]

So you mean a professional athlete, who has been paid millions of dollars to workout in the gym a couple times a week over a period of TWENTY YEARS has actually gained some muscle? That's just outlandish!!!

2nd'd

i am no pro, nor do i get millions, nor do i use steroids.

but i weighed 170 and 6% body fat when i was 19yrs old.

i now weigh in at 215lbs and am under 9% body fat. i am 26yrs old (and have wieghed over 200 for the last 3 years)

i have put on about 45lbs of muscle in 7 years. none of it was gained by pumping iron, but rather eating alot and biking and skiing every day. why can't a professional, with a nutritionists, trainers etc...?

[JMan]

i have put on about 45lbs of muscle in 7 years. why can't a professional, with a nutritionists, trainers, etc...?

yeah i can see how gaining 45 lbs in 7 years is the same as gaining 30 in one year.

[marshalolson]

and aside from all of that, show me anywhere it has been PROVEN ( ) that barry cheated. and then i'll agree with you.

innocent until proven guilty.

[MassLiberal]

So marshal, do you think OJ did it?

Just curious.

[marshalolson]

i don't think he should be publicly called a murderer without a guilty verdict

[smmokan]

and aside from all of that, show me anywhere it has been PROVEN ( ) that barry cheated. and then i'll agree with you.

innocent until proven guilty.

The main evidence against Bonds is that he admitted to the grand jury (thru leaked, and unusable testimony) that he used steroids. It wasn't supposed to get out to the public, but it did, and now its his downfall. Personally, that's evidence enough for me. I'm absolutely amazed at what he can do at the plate (especially a few years ago), but its all tarnished because of his admittance.

[Blurred]

yeah i can see how gaining 45 lbs in 7 years is the same as gaining 30 in one year.

There's something called creatine monohydrate. Google it.

It expands the cells in your muscle to hold more water.
I can gain 15 lbs. of muscle(by your definition) in a week taking it, and it's completely legal. Every serious athlete uses it. (and yes, if you quit taking it, you lose that mass right away)

[JMan]

ive heard of creatine and i dont think there would be this much debate and controversy over it if thats what he took. do you?

[smmokan]

I hope you're not defending Bonds and trying to come up with reasons how he put on all the muscle and got stronger as he turned 40... its known that he took steroids, he just never tested positive with MLB. And therein lies the dilemma.

[Blurred]

Lets talk about Lance Armstrong taking roids....cuz you know, he's pretty fuckin' buff too.

[MassLiberal]

maybe if lance armstrong looked like a beached whale with a head the size of a watermelon, people would be talking about him taking steriods.

But then again, all that extra weight would probablybe a bitch when climbing the Alpe d'huez

[Blurred]

maybe if lance armstrong looked like a beached whale with a head the size of a watermelon, people would be talking about him taking steriods.

But then again, all that extra weight would probablybe a bitch when climbing the Alpe d'huez

I was going to call you a racist, but you saved it by making me laugh with that last sentence.

[Art Shirk]

This is fuckin ridiculous. Bonds looks like a goddamn WWF wrestler. Do all WWF wrestler's use roids? Maybe not Capt'n Lou, but the rest sure do. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and all its duck friends says its a duck, am I really that unreasonable to believe it is a goddamn duck??

I don;t give a shit about the media. I get to use my own two eyes on this one. If he isn't using roids, he is wearing the costume of a roid user, so forgive me if I criticize. End of story.

[Cono Este]

Was he using Steroids? He was Balco's top client for christ sakes. The deabte is not about wether he took them, but about wether he knew was.
And they were not testing for the "clear".

It was called "Balco Labs", not GNC. And they were not making him his Latte everyday.

I am a Giants fan and always have been. i have been proud to say my brother went to school with him and that I attended the same school. He was once my hero. But, he is a God Damn Cheater!! And I hate cheaters. Most of us played competetive sports, I myself was a Nationally ranked swimmer, and after the years I spent swimming up and down a god damn pool at 5 in the morning i have noooo respect for that man or any other cheater.

Thank you.