NSA data base of phone calls

[PNWbrit]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/....ap/index.html

Can someone explain to me exactly how this helps the "war on terrorism"? I understand wanting to track calls to and from certain areas of the world and to and from certain individuals of interest or concern. But this just seems crazy. Not to mention being a waste of resources that could be better used in other security projects.

[Boomer28]

I make it a point to wear my tin-foil hat at all times to keep the satelites and black helicopters out of my brain.

In all seriousness, it is insane. Ever so slowly the bil of rights is regarded more of a bunch of quaint, nice ideas that the govt. can choose to abide by at will. America is asleep at the switch when it comes to how tyranical the government has become. As long as people can come home from work and eat mac & cheese while watching King of Queens and the joke local news about cats stuck in trees they are happy. Ignorance is bliss!

[DBdude]

They are using the data for modeling purposes to understand phone traffic patterns. The stuff that is causing the uproar on the warrantless phone taps is that , I believe or guess, a computer program is doing the eaves dropping. Google Carnivore and wire tapping if you are interested in something that is similiar in nature. That said, I believe, Carnivore has a blanket warrant to wire tap

[mr_gyptian]

this just in...Verizon, SBC, and AT&T have already built a HUGE database of phone numbers.


Yellowbook has a HUGE database of addresses!!!!


Hotmail, Yahoo, and gmail have a huge database of our e-mails!!!!!

oh, and the sky is falling.

[PNWbrit]

this just in...Verizon, SBC, and AT&T have already built a HUGE database of phone numbers.


Yellowbook has a HUGE database of addresses!!!!


Hotmail, Yahoo, and gmail have a huge database of our e-mails!!!!!

oh, and the sky is falling.

Database is of calls made and is highly significant because it's being created secretly (probably also illegally) by the government and not by businesses who are telcos - but you know that.

But I guess you're right that we can thank god all this stuff is in the safe and trustworthy hands of the Bush government

[P_McPoser]

INTERNATIONAL (not domestic) calls between PEOPLE OF INTEREST (not joe american). Read, Learn, Repeat.

[lemon boy]

Just as "good"

http://politics.slashdot.org/article...6/05/11/147219

[cj001f]

INTERNATIONAL (not domestic) calls between PEOPLE OF INTEREST (not joe american). Read, Learn, Repeat.

er you might follow that advice:

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

As a result, domestic call records — those of calls that originate and terminate within U.S. borders — were believed to be private.

Sources, however, say that is not the case. With access to records of billions of domestic calls, the NSA has gained a secret window into the communications habits of millions of Americans. Customers' names, street addresses and other personal information are not being handed over as part of NSA's domestic program, the sources said. But the phone numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other databases to obtain that information.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...5-10-nsa_x.htm

[summit]

“Americans must trade some privacy for security"
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...light=security

























I guarantee this is under the TIA Total Information Awareness program.

[Cyber Cop]

off topic, re: telcos or whatever. Wonder how many times these corps holding sensitive info have been hacked and had that info compromised. Are there any laws regarding security and reporting of hacks. Makes you wonder how many inadequatly protected databases your SS# etc... are sitting in???

Anyway, yeah, the sky is falling and I hope it hits gyptian first.

[freshie247]

oh, and the sky is falling.

It's not the sky that's falling, It's this jackass admins numbers that are falling at terminal velocity. I would like to find it hilarious that conservatives are finally realising that the emperor has no clothes, but it's far too disturbing that the rank & file followed the Pied Piper right off the edge of the cliff,only then to say as they fall to their demise,"WOW,maybe they aren't so great & this was a bad decision!" Too bad so many others that didn't vote for them are getting dragged down with them.

I think the phrase is ," Hoisted on their own petard!"

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12729893/

[MassLiberal]

The point is when Qwest asked for a warrant (which is required of the telco's. by the way) NSA said no, they wouldn't be able to get one (because the program is illegal).

Plus, they weren't just recording numbers, but who was calling who (they say no names, but do you really trust this administration to actually tell the truth?), duration of call etc, on millions of regular Americans. The whole premise of this country is that it was founded on the freedom of individuals to live a life without unwarranted government intrusion.

[splat]

Combine that with the Oak Ridge labs supercomputer storage of every email we have sent and web page viewed and you have a govt that can/will use this information in corrupt ways to prosecute anyone they want for anything they want. I predict the day will come that any encounter with police will result in this information being used against Americans for background checks, admissible court evidence, and sentencing.

Unpossible?

uh...yeah....sure.

[PNWbrit]

off topic, re: telcos or whatever. Wonder how many times these corps holding sensitive info have been hacked and had that info compromised. Are there any laws regarding security and reporting of hacks. Makes you wonder how many inadequatly protected databases your SS# etc... are sitting in???

Anyway, yeah, the sky is falling and I hope it hits gyptian first.

I'd guess it's safer than the government/CIA/NSA having it. The U.S. is currently seeking the extraditon of a UK hacker charged "the biggest military hack of all time". - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4757375.stm

[ColMan]

Props to Qwest for telling those bastards to take a hike! Sounds like they were the only Telco which had the balls to do so.

[MTT]

Combine that with the Oak Ridge labs supercomputer storage of every email we have sent and web page viewed and you have a govt that can/will use this information in corrupt ways to prosecute anyone they want for anything they want. I predict the day will come that any encounter with police will result in this information being used against Americans for background checks, admissible court evidence, and sentencing.

Unpossible?

uh...yeah....sure.

That is the real story. The information has always been around, but was difficult for lawenforcment to collect. Now everything is in one very large data farm. Don't forget all or your movments are being recorded by the SIM in your cell phone.

[splat]

In numerous interviews about the case, Mr McKinnon has resisted attempts to portray him as a hacking mastermind. By contrast he said he was a "bumbling hacker" that exploited the lax security policies of the US military.

Speaking after the hearing ended, he said: "My intention was never to disrupt security. The fact that I logged on with no password showed there was no security to begin with."

BWAAAA!

[Turbo Honkey]

Yikes. It looks like I better stop playing the Green Beret vs. Taliban Hottie prisoner of love phone sex games with the girlfriend.

I was wondering what all those clicks were about on the phone line.


Edit - I heard about the British hacker on NPR. He hacked into system to find out about the army's anti-gravitational program and UFO information. He said he found information about a program to airbrush UFO's out of militay satellite phots.

[Monique]

Can someone explain to me exactly how this helps the "war on terrorism"?

Obviously you are not aware of the subtleties of terrorism.

Caller 1: Dude what's up?
Caller 2: Not much, where you been at?
1: You know, chillin.'
2: Word.
1. Talk to anybody else lately?
2. Not really.
1. Right on.
2. Word.

I shudder to think what would happen if the government didn't monitor this stuff.

Summit, where did you get those great poster images? I haven't been able to find them on cafepress or unamerican or using Google.

[PassTheDutchie]

Nice post, Summit; it is disturbing to me that so many "conservatives" are willing to turn a blind eye to the erosion of civil liberties by the Bush administration.

[MassLiberal]

That's because political affiliation has nothing to do with rational thinking. Most people will follow him to the end of the world since they have become so intertwined with the neoconservative ideology.

[PNWbrit]

results of NSA wire tapping just in:

45 million - pizza orders
16 million - hey we met at the bar last night and you wrote your number on my hand. Want to get together for a movie/drink/coffee
23 million - Hey Grandma happy birthday!
250 million - I'll need you to work this weekend mkay?
500 million - I'm stuck in traffic don't know when I'll be home
650 million - I'm feeling kind of sick don't think I'll be able to make it in
500 - Hey Dick it's George - Did I leave my book about the goat in your office again?
1 - Some guy called Mohammed something called Tehran (sorry but we didn't have the money left to hire a translator after setting up this fucking database)

[Cyber Cop]

With Access Denied, Justice Department Drops Spying Investigation

Don't worry the fox is guarding the hen house.

incoming message from the fox, "Move along, nothing to see here."

[Cono Este]

That's because political affiliation has nothing to do with rational thinking. Most people will follow him to the end of the world since they have become so intertwined with the neoconservative ideology.

what the ^%$3 is that? Like far left is not intertwined in their own ideology? It all sucks. i respect anyone who does not adhere to either ideology.

As far as the phone calls go... i doubt wether that info would ever be shared easily with state or local authorities. Those agencies make a habit of not sharing with eachother, which is the reason for the Patriot Act in the first place, and thats even temporary. Anything electronic these days is being tracked by someone. you'd be surprised what you can dig up on your own.

When they start misusing the info then I will get my boxer's in a twist. Until then I will just assume we are using it to bust more Chinese industrial spies and shoe bombers.

[Cono Este]

That's because political affiliation has nothing to do with rational thinking. Most people will follow him to the end of the world since they have become so intertwined with the neoconservative ideology.

say's the man commited to the other political ideology, and even puts it in his name.