Who voted for Bush/Cheney in '00 or '04?

[ill-advised strategy]

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F@cked up

you can type fuck here.

nobody fucking cares

[Yonder_River]

All you liberal blowhards that cry about human rights, think about the human rights provided to the Iraqi people. MILLIONS of people are now free from oppression.and loving it..

Your throwin words around like nothing. Since when did liberals have a monopoly on caring about human rights? I hope everyone does.

I'm out, later.

[ill-advised strategy]

blurred...why don't you join up then.

If you're so into the war go fight the fucker.

[ShawnB]

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you can type fuck here.

nobody fucking cares

Yes, and more embarassingly, Yetiman, in the time I was taking to find the fucking bitch son of a cuntlick ampersand or whatnot, you already made the point I was posting about. Before me AND better than me.

Ouch, baby. Who stuck all this bubblegum up in muh holster?

[ShawnB]

I meant the point about expressing ourselves as democratic citizens--not about joining up. I think we've played out that part of the argument, but I guess we'll see...

Night all.

[Jumper Bones]

I voted for Bush. I am also a pussy. I guess maybe I should enlist.

the dems need to stop nominating douchebags. Kerry was the definition of douchebag. same applies for the GOP, but I don't have much hope for them. Good news is the neocons have so marginalized themselves with the American public, that I don't thing they can take over the party nominations successfully, like they did back in 00 with McCain and Bush. I think McCain may actually have a fair shot this time around.

McCain and Obama are the great hope for us all. Too bad Obama still has his training wheels on.

[Squatch]

While I agree that McCain and Obama are both excellent choices, and how would so love an election between the greater of two goods, Senators typically do quite poorly in running for president. I'm sure there are a lot of reasons, but a large part is that members of congress do all their business via compromise, as a collective, whereas presidents do their business as a single person taking action. While this is an oversimplification, there is no denying the differing nature of the jobs. I think that may be why governors seem to do better than congressmen in presidential elections.

[subtle plague]

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you can type fuck here.

nobody fucking cares

i do.
but im a hippie.

[wildstyle]

BlurredElevens wrote: Iraq is full of terrorist douchebags, and that's who we're still having a problem with.

Our occupation created those terrorists, think about it

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. This is always the risk of war and invasion.

America has gone from country to aspire to for the majority of the world to one that is seen as an aggressor purely down to foreign policy in the last 5 years.

That's a pretty big fall that will take generations to reverse if its at all reversible.

The world has become a more unstable place in the last few years. If american forign policy had taken a more undercover route to wiping out 'al quaeda' then they probably wouldn't be around anymore. If they'd wanted to get rid of saddam by aiding other factions in iraq, it probably would have worked in less than 5 years and cost less than 80'000 lives.

All i think about is what could have been if invasions and war hadn't been the first reaction.

[schindlerpiste]

Personally, I'd rather vote for the democrats for whom the grass is always greener; who seem to view everything thru rose colored glasses; who, in theory, have a solution for every problem, but in reality have solutions for none; and, like some on this board, talk a good game without delivering the goods.
I think that I'll do it again in '08.

[MassLiberal]

I hope Feingold runs for President. That guy has bitch slapped everyone I've ever seen him debate. Two year's ago he ran the RNC out of the state and left the republican candidate to fend for himself. It wasn't really even a fair fight. The guy also doesn't always tow the party line and thus is an independent thinker unlike 95% of the other potential candidates out there.

He's running. He already set up a PAC and is doing the prelim work.

Tipp, what makes you say Warner's gutless? HE's a progressive who got elected in a pretty conservative so he had to compromise some of his ideals.

[MassLiberal]

While I agree that McCain and Obama are both excellent choices, and how would so love an election between the greater of two goods, Senators typically do quite poorly in running for president. I'm sure there are a lot of reasons, but a large part is that members of congress do all their business via compromise, as a collective, whereas presidents do their business as a single person taking action. While this is an oversimplifation, there is no denying the differing nature of the jobs. I think that may be why governors seem to do better than congressmen in presidential elections.

That's why obama would fair well, he's only had four year in the senate. and if you looki closely at his record, he's managed to keep his shit straight. McCain has a lot of problems on his record that could be used against him in a general.

[half-fast]

Obama? give me a break, the guy's only been a US senator for a year.

[MassLiberal]

Obama? give me a break, the guy's only been a US senator for a year.

Yeah, and GWB was sooooooooooo accomplished when he ascended to the presidency.

The reason why he would do well to run for the presidency now is that he lacks a voting record that could be used against him.

Another D candidate will be Gore, He says that he's not interested in the job, but behind the scenes he's doing some interesting stuff which points towards a run.

[DaveTV]

Being from mark Warner's area I can tell you you don't want him, he's more gutless than Kerry.

Seeing as Kerry has lead troops in real combat(more than most reading this BTW), if that is "gutless", than what about everyone in the Dubya admin?

Please, god/allah/whoever - do not let Hillary be our candidate.

I concur with THAT!

[bklyn]

If I was president,
I'd get elected on Friday, assasinated on Saturday,
and buried on Sunday.

[mrw]

and your rack would be immortalized here on Monday

Attachment 12144

[Free Range Lobster]

None of you actually make enough money to benefit from Bush or his "tax cuts".

[bklyn]

and your rack would be immortalized here on Monday

Cleaning juice off my laptop. LOL.

[Cono Este]

I've got a question.

Is there anyone in here who was/is against the war in Iraq but see's Iran as a legitimate threat?

We must be careful not to confuse the two. Iran has and always will be a problem. As they made their announcement yesterday they were praising Allah for their enriched Uranium?

What is the value of the IAEA the UN or any other interantional Law now? Do not let your hatred for Bush and his decision to invade Iraq cloud future decisions. They are two seperate problems and Bush will be gone soon.

[jackstraw]

its not bush or the democrats fault...its the MORMONS!!!

[Free Range Lobster]

As they made their announcement yesterday they were praising Allah for their enriched Uranium?

And the pilgrims praised jesus for showing them who was a witch so they could burn them alive.

And the cowboys prayed to god for letting them kill some injuns.

[Blurred]

A couple thousand now or several millions later.

[natty dread]

Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War
Administration Pushed Notion of Banned Iraqi Weapons Despite Evidence to Contrary

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 12, 2006; Page A01

On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.



U.S. officials asserted that Iraq had biological weapons factories in trailers, even after a Pentagon mission found them unsuited for that role. (By Pfc. Joshua Hutcheson Via Associated Press)

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From 'Biological Laboratories'
Two Iraqi trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops became a center-piece of U.S. claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. But shortly after the fall of Baghdad, an internal report showed the trailers had nothing to do with banned weapons.



A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.

The three-page field report and a 122-page final report three weeks later were stamped "secret" and shelved. Meanwhile, for nearly a year, administration and intelligence officials continued to publicly assert that the trailers were weapons factories.

The authors of the reports were nine U.S. and British civilian experts -- scientists and engineers with extensive experience in all the technical fields involved in making bioweapons -- who were dispatched to Baghdad by the Defense Intelligence Agency for an analysis of the trailers. Their actions and findings were described to a Washington Post reporter in interviews with six government officials and weapons experts who participated in the mission or had direct knowledge of it.

None would consent to being identified by name because of fear that their jobs would be jeopardized. Their accounts were verified by other current and former government officials knowledgeable about the mission. The contents of the final report, "Final Technical Engineering Exploitation Report on Iraqi Suspected Biological Weapons-Associated Trailers," remain classified. But interviews reveal that the technical team was unequivocal in its conclusion that the trailers were not intended to manufacture biological weapons. Those interviewed took care not to discuss the classified portions of their work.

"There was no connection to anything biological," said one expert who studied the trailers. Another recalled an epithet that came to be associated with the trailers: "the biggest sand toilets in the world."





And the article goes on for 4 pages...

[Blurred]

The threat of Al Qaida getting a nuke from Iran and lobbing it at us for the common good of "Allah" is very real.