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Thread: So you think Mormons are poorly thought of and put upon...

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    Question So you think Mormons are poorly thought of and put upon...

    A 1999 Gallup poll asked Americans if they would vote for an otherwise qualified Presidential candidate who belonged to certain ethnic or religous groups. Here are the results:

    For Whom Would Americans Vote?
    (Gallup, 1999)

    Woman : 95%
    Roman Catholic : 94%
    Baptist : 94%
    Black : 92%
    Jew : 92%
    Mormon : 79%
    Homosexual : 59%
    Atheist : 49%

    There are 29 million Americans who describe themselves as nonreligious, secular, atheist, or agnostic, outnumbering Jews tenfold, and all other religions except Christianity by an even larger margin.

    Chew on that for a moment.

    Now: are Americans justified in their fear of atheists? Do atheists commit more crimes? Here are the statistics on US federal prison inmates, from the Federal Bureau of Prisons:

    All Judeo-Christian religions: 62594 inmates, 83.761% of population
    (This includes Protestants, Catholics, Jews, etc.)
    Atheists: 156 inmates, 0.209% of population

    Click here for full results.

    How about that! Atheists compose roughly 10% of the population, but only 0.21% of the prison inmates.

    Here's an interesting academic paper. It shows that for major industrialized countries, increased belief in God is linked to:

    -Higher death rate for infants and children under 5
    -Lower life expectancy
    -Higher abortion rate
    -Higher teen pregnancy rate

    There is also some positive correlation between belief in God, higher homicide rate, and higher STD infection rates, but the USA is so much higher than everyone else that it's hard to see the rest of the graph.

    You can check the charts at the end yourself:
    Link to Creighton study

    This should make it abundantly clear that religion, not atheism, is associated with crime and societal problems.

    No, correlation is not causation. We can't say for certain that religion actually causes child mortality and lower life expectancy. But it's clear that the opposite is not true, no matter how many religious Americans shout and point fingers.

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    You will notice that none of these studies even wants to TOUCH the only true and & terrible religion of Conan the Barbarian, we would so totally rape and murder those damn statiticians if they tried to represent us with silly graphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spats
    Homosexual : 59%
    Atheist : 49%
    That's gay!

    Would a black gay catholic woman score better or worse than an athiest?
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    why did you start another mormon thread?
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    In light of the recent discussions, I thought of this exact same thing today, and I would like to add my own observation...

    And although there are many religious skiers, in all, a larger number of skiers seem to be athiests than you find in the general population. I find that the morals and ethics of godless skiers to be at the top tier of society.

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    Only 10% claim to be non-religious? Wow.

    I was likewise surprised when I heard that Christians comprise the world's largest religion - isn't it like nearly 50% of the world or something?

    Hey you want something REALLY like a flame-war-bait you should post the stats that coorelate IQ to religious beliefs. Then, watch the bombs fly.

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    more like a third - and that includes the "only for baptisms and weddings crowd"
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    Any poll that starts with "Americans were asked..." is going to make anyone with an IQ of over 80 cringe.

    As for the religious affiliation of inmates, 90% of the inmates who claim to believe in a particular religion do so to in order to make their excuse that 'God made me do it' more believable during the appeals process.

    Another interesting article on the topic, this says the atheist population is about 3% in the US, though.
    http://atheism.about.com/b/a/255008.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ireallyliketoski
    As for the religious affiliation of inmates, 90% of the inmates who claim to believe in a particular religion do so to in order to make their excuse that 'God made me do it' more believable during the appeals process.
    Why not? It worked for Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spats
    Atheist : 49%
    Hey, Bush won with that!
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    "I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
    - President Bush (Sr.)
    How to Spot Atheists and Report Them to the FBI

    Fuckin Infidels.

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    ...interesting. Would we know if a candidate was an atheist? Would outing someone's atheism be a smear tactic? ...because I don't think it would be a huge deal if a candidate didn't talk about their religious affiliation.

    I think the woman stat is inaccurate. I've heard lots of people talk about not voting for Hillary and I get the feeling that many don't like her because she's a strong and powerful woman (even though they may not say it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Witherspoon
    Trivial. Low IQ and prison attendance are correlated. Combining the stats above with those here, we find that Christians are ~100x more likely to be imprisoned than atheists. It follows that ...

    ... but why presume transitive correlations between very different populations when you can just read it here.
    Hmmm, pretty weak study here. After reading the results from the 31 studies cited in this link, I only see 6 that actually support the conclusion. 6 studies presented evidence counter to the conclusion, and the rest presented either vague conclusions or showed no correlation whatsoever. You find one study that 'proves' one thing, you can usually find another one that 'proves' the opposite. Statistics don't lie, but statisticians do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenwater
    You will notice that none of these studies even wants to TOUCH the only true and & terrible religion of Conan the Barbarian, we would so totally rape and murder those damn statiticians if they tried to represent us with silly graphs.
    "Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you will remember, if we were good men, or bad. Why we fought, or how we died. No, all that matters is, that two stood against many. That's what's important. Valour pleases you Crom, so grant me one request, grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then the hell with you!"

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    Maybe it would help if you made friends with other religions/races... like my wife and I:
    http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
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    This should make it abundantly clear that religion, not atheism, is associated with crime and societal problems.
    ..

    NOne of what you posted makes anything "abundantly clear". The fact is people suck... Jews, mormons, black, chinese, white, gay and yes athiests are all capable of doing bad things to people and commit crimes. Your statistics are skewed because "athiests" make up a smaller portion of the population and therefore a smaller proportion of jerks in this world. Why can't you accept there are good and bad people in all faiths, beliefs, races whatever and stop hating.
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    The real question is.......

    Who the fuck cares....................I guess the fact that I live in Sandy and not Sugarhouse makes me not care.

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    UHM, there's a little flaw in their poll; homesexual and woman is neither an ethnicity nor a religion.
    Last edited by funkendrenchman; 04-06-2006 at 04:16 PM.

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    correlation does not imply causality.
    representin is illmatic

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    These threads are subtle trolls for the bored. I guess that includes me.

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    Can't we all just be nudists?

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    Have you ever tried to ski naked? Not fun, not fun, Although I did see STOY pull a huge backflip at the big air contest at beaver mountain once completly naked. The look on MArge Seeholzer's face was priceless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenwater
    You will notice that none of these studies even wants to TOUCH the only true and & terrible religion of Conan the Barbarian, we would so totally rape and murder those damn statiticians if they tried to represent us with silly graphs.
    Is there a Church of Chuck Norris?
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    if you have to resort to taking advice from the nitwits on this forum, then you're doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenwater
    You will notice that none of these studies even wants to TOUCH the only true and & terrible religion of Conan the Barbarian, we would so totally rape and murder those damn statiticians if they tried to represent us with silly graphs.
    Hail Crom!!!

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    Does that mean you have to vote for Arnold?
    You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.

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