Petition to Volkl

**seldon** · 01-08-2004, 12:27 PM

Ok, the idea here is to gather support for a specific ski from Volkl. I intend to send a link to this thread to Volkl after it has gathered (if it does) sufficient signatures. Please sign this/support it if you agree. Petition below:

To Whom it May Concern;
We, the undersigned, would like to express our interest in new version of the Explosiv. We would like an explosiv with a true twin tip, but the rest of the ski remaining similar if not the same. You could offer this new ski relatively easily because it would not require a very different mold from the current Explosiv. Obviously, this new ski would not be a park/pipe ski but the twin tip would rather be intended for more big mountain purposes. Although this new ski may seem to overlap with your current fat twin ski, the Gotama, we believe that a market exists for this stiffer, beefier twin because there are sufficient numbers of skiers who want a twin tip that is both fat and stiff enough for steeps and big faces. Thank you for considering our offer.

-John Vrolyk

**tuffy109** · 01-08-2004, 12:29 PM

....and that wizard shit looked dumb

**Billow** · 01-08-2004, 12:58 PM

And I thought this was about Gotama durability

**bad_roo** · 01-08-2004, 01:10 PM

Yeah and ask 'em where I can find the umlaut on my keyboard. ENOUGH skis get past me on ebay cos of that fuggen umlaut.

CS · 01-08-2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by tuffy109:
....and that wizard shit looked dumb

Hmmm, I don't know. I thought that was one of the best topsheets I've seen. But, whatever.

**tuffy109** · 01-08-2004, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by CS
Hmmm, I don't know. I thought that was one of the best topsheets I've seen. But, whatever.

you also live in the valley.

**Clack** · 01-08-2004, 01:30 PM

Why do you want the twin? Just trying to figure out what purpose it serves outside of skiing backwards. Unless of course you want to ski "big mountain" type lines backwards. And if so, that would be sweet.

**seldon** · 01-08-2004, 01:34 PM

landing backwards occaisonally, sliding backwards w/o slamming the tips into junk and getting them caught, extra versatility. the twin tip doesn't have any disadvantages (OK, yes it reduces the edge length... but just make the ski longer)

**trainnvain** · 01-08-2004, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by bad_roo
Yeah and ask 'em where I can find the umlaut on my keyboard. ENOUGH skis get past me on ebay cos of that fuggen umlaut.

Hijack Question: Isn't there an ALT function codenumber for this? Or you could just use : and tip your screen on it's side. No?

Edit: ALT+0246=ö

CS · 01-08-2004, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by tuffy109:
you also live in the valley.

yeah, and Utah before that. So, maybe you have a point.......

**raddam** · 01-08-2004, 02:28 PM

I would disagree
I don't like twins and think the explosiv's tail is just right

**tuffy109** · 01-08-2004, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by CS
yeah, and Utah before that. So, maybe you have a point.......

hahahaha

you gonna be up on the 24/25th?

**descender** · 01-08-2004, 02:36 PM

I have a feeling the decision to go flat had something to do with releasing the Gotama. Marketing reasons.

I wouldn't mind a half twin on the sploder for ocasional switch landings and skidding around.

CS · 01-08-2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by tuffy109:
you gonna be up on the 24/25th?

By "up" I'm assuming you mean Mammoth.

I'm supposed to go over MLK weekend, but really it all depends on the snow since paying $62 to ski ice isn't all that appealing.

**seldon** · 01-08-2004, 03:13 PM

this thread has lost its original purpose... disappeared pretty quick there.

I thought there was a market for said ski b/c of people talking about it... thought there were a bunch of people talking about it (no just thought, saw)

hmmmmm

maybe sometime later

CS · 01-08-2004, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by seldon:
this thread has lost its original purpose... disappeared pretty quick there.

Oops, sorry seldon.

He started it.

**joshbu** · 01-08-2004, 04:12 PM

Two points:

I always thought that a twin does have a significant disadvantage for a "big mountain" ski. The curled up tip of a ski creates lift. Having a twin creates lift behind you which you do not want (think the opposite of a swallowtail.)

Also, isn't the 4FRNT MSP close to what you are looking for (122x92x108 and reputed to be quite stiff in a 185...)

Or the DB Surreal (124x94x112 in a 193 and a 184?)

**The AD** · 01-08-2004, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by joshbu
Two points:

I always thought that a twin does have a significant disadvantage for a "big mountain" ski. The curled up tip of a ski creates lift. Having a twin creates lift behind you which you do not want (think the opposite of a swallowtail.)

I think it would create a slight down force, sort of like the spoiler on a race car. But, let's face it, a ski isn't a wing and these forces aren't going to be huge unless you're going about 80 mph.

**seldon** · 01-08-2004, 05:13 PM

I don't know much about the 4FRNT... i'll do a search. I asked about the Armada ARV on techtalk but haven't gotten a response yet.

I have scratch BCs now, and I want something with the stiffness, burliness, and durability of the explosiv (sick and tired of the floppiness of the bc)

**nachos supreme** · 01-08-2004, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by The AD
I think it would create a slight down force, sort of like the spoiler on a race car. But, let's face it, a ski isn't a wing and these forces aren't going to be huge unless you're going about 80 mph.

Also I'm no physics guru but the fact your legs are in the way there would be no downforce due to the air being broken up before reaching the skis surface

**skier0178** · 01-08-2004, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by seldon
I don't know much about the 4FRNT... i'll do a search. I asked about the Armada ARV on techtalk but haven't gotten a response yet.

I have scratch BCs now, and I want something with the stiffness, burliness, and durability of the explosiv (sick and tired of the floppiness of the bc)

If you want something stiff, burly and durable, 4FRNT MSP is definately the way to go. They are very stiff because of the maple core they use, have a 2 year warrenty and are very burly. Not to mention it's a great company and I helped make this year's stock of 170s

**seldon** · 01-08-2004, 05:30 PM

Nice....

I'll have to demo them next time i'm in the mountains...

are they as stiff as teh xploders?

**skier0178** · 01-08-2004, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by seldon
Nice....

I'll have to demo them next time i'm in the mountains...

are they as stiff as teh xploders?

Where do you ride? I'm not sure how they compare to the xploders since i've never skied on those. but if not the MSPs aren't the stiffest twin tip out there, they are definitely one of them.