Hey flippy spinny twisty jumping folks...

**Red Baron** · 03-20-2006, 05:42 PM

How you keep your lunch down? I've got a date in the back seat of one of these:

on June 8th or 9th!

Estimated maximum g's: 7.5

Thanks to those who encouraged me to turn in the paperwork over the weekend when that thread was up...look for a full TR in June.

Should be an interesting week:
June 3rd: Run the SLC marathon
June 8th: Fly in an F-16
June 11th: Get married!

**skiing-in-jackson** · 03-20-2006, 05:46 PM

Glad you could fit it in around the wedding.

**danadog** · 03-20-2006, 05:47 PM

how Red sounds like you are in for a great week.
Enjoy and best of luck!

**72Twenty** · 03-20-2006, 05:49 PM

Be sure to watch this before you go up.

**jibco** · 03-20-2006, 05:51 PM

Wow, hope you enjoy it.
They say to eat stuff that won't be super unpleasant when you lose it. I don't know what that would include.

Oh, congrats on the wedding too.

**Nohillsnearby** · 03-20-2006, 05:56 PM

Oh, man! You are SOOO lucky!! I would love to lose my lunch in one of those.

**bio-smear** · 03-20-2006, 05:59 PM

Cool, Baron. How did you swing that?

Airsickness is weird, and anxiety about it makes it worse. Several years ago after I got my pilot's license I took an emergency maneuvers course, which pretty much amounted to a beginning aerobatics course. We went out and did loops, aileron rolls, spins, snaprolls, all sorts of shit, for a hour each lesson. Sometimes I got queasy, sometimes I didn't. It usually amounted to how much I had eaten for breakfast. Eating nothing is bad, eating too much is bad also. Just eat some oatmeal or something lasting that isn't too volatile.

Getting into it helps. Imagine the tenative feeling you get when you huck a good drop. Sometimes it's kinda butterflies, but it's over quick and you are relieved. Sometimes you are raging and don't stop to worry and never feel anxious. That's how you have to get into aerobatics. Don't stop to think, just get into it. Especially don't stop to wonder if you are feeling quesy.

He probably won't do a spin in that aircraft(the ultimate sickener, like standing in the middle of a merry-go-round), so no worries there. Your biggest problem will be excess G's and rolling. The G's can be alleviated by taking a good breath prior to the onset and exhaling steadily until you're back to ~1 G. It also helps if you have something to concentrate on, like flying the aircraft. Ask if you can "have the aircraft for a few minutes."

**Lloyd Braun** · 03-20-2006, 05:59 PM

you will puke......have fun.....jealous here!

**Buzzworthy** · 03-20-2006, 06:00 PM

YOU SO HAVE TO VIDEO YOUR FACE THE WHOLE RIDE SOMEHOW!!!

Wow, jealous.

**Vinman** · 03-20-2006, 06:02 PM

very jealous,
head cam maybe?

**summit** · 03-20-2006, 06:10 PM

Wow that looks like so much fun!

**Red Baron** · 03-20-2006, 06:15 PM

part of the deal is that you can't bring your own camera into the cockpit, but they have a multi-camera switchable system on-board, with audio routed in as well, that (yess Buzz) is pointed at the passengers head at all times!

the Thunderbirds are coming to Utah for the Hill Air Force Base airshow, and they're offering a few rides to local media while they're in town. Guess I drew the lucky straw!

I won't be embarassed to puke - many people do - but I'd rather enjoy the flight without an oxygen mask full of vomit...

So, in all seriousness, do any of those motion sickness things work? The ones you put on your wrist? Or any medicine?

The flight agenda calls for a max velocity takeoff (300mph) a right angle turn to 10000', then out to the range in the west desert for some aerobatics - including some max g turns and a corkscrew, among other things. The pilots are used to guests, so they won't beat up on you unless you ask for it, and I want to go for the "full meal deal", so to speak...

**bio-smear** · 03-20-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Red Baron

So, in all seriousness, do any of those motion sickness things work? The ones you put on your wrist? Or any medicine?

Some guys were talking about this on my flying site. I've never tried it though.
http://www.backcountrypilot.org/foru...opic.php?t=144

**Trackhead** · 03-20-2006, 06:29 PM

Cool RB. I might be there too, but on the ground. Shooting a promo vid for the communications HQ.

**MacDaddy** · 03-20-2006, 06:39 PM

you my good sir, are a very lucky man!

**rotorhead** · 03-20-2006, 06:40 PM

Ever hear of the M-manuever. When your pulling pos Gs just Tighten your whole core like your doing some serious work on the john. Try to find a reference on the horizon when you can and never look down into the cockpit while they're going through manuevers

**seatosky** · 03-20-2006, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Red Baron

The flight agenda calls for a max velocity takeoff (300mph) a right angle turn to 10000', then out to the range in the west desert for some aerobatics - including some max g turns and a corkscrew, among other things.

ridiculous. I say if the urge comes over you, don't by shy. puke away.

**Lumpy** · 03-20-2006, 07:00 PM

Put a motion sickness ear patch on a few hours ahead of time. Not sure about air, but it works in 40-foot plus seas where half the anxiety comes from not knowing what geeked out, methed-up fool is responsible for vessel stabiltiy. I'm sure you will be in much better hands...just eat smooth food beforehand. Tillamook smoked steak chunks might hurt on the way back up.

**Theodore** · 03-20-2006, 07:10 PM

NICE! That is a dream of mine. I thought I was special when I signed up for an hour with these guys... http://www.warbirdskyventures.com Definitely looking forward to this TR!

**mrw** · 03-20-2006, 07:29 PM

The G's are going to be your real enemy. Gray out followed by pass out.Although I really doubt if they will go to that extreme with you in the back. Head out to your local airport and try to wangle an aerobatic intro in a Pitts or a Citabria.It would do you a world of good and prep you for the "ride of your life"
My own intro to aerobatics came in a Sukhoi like this one

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they carry like 30 minutes of fuel. We departed Cape May regional in Cape May, NJ. Out over the bay and into the box we go. I take the stick and flounder around for a few moments at which point, this guy does a demo of his competition routine. SHEEEITTTT ! Anyway, we taxi in and shut down,I thank the guy profusely and skedaddle on out of there. I'm thinking to myself, damn, I didn't even get sick. 20 minutes after landing, I'm blowing chunks.Man, what a ride

**phUnk** · 03-20-2006, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lumpy

Put a motion sickness ear patch on a few hours ahead of time. Not sure about air, but it works in 40-foot plus seas where half the anxiety comes from not knowing what geeked out, methed-up fool is responsible for vessel stabiltiy. I'm sure you will be in much better hands...just eat smooth food beforehand. Tillamook smoked steak chunks might hurt on the way back up.

Lumpy Sighting!

**bio-smear** · 03-20-2006, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by mrw

My own intro to aerobatics came in a Sukhoi like this one

Dude, that is sweet! I've always wanted to fly a Sukhoi or Extra 300. My training was done in a Super Decathlon. I heard a story about a guy in a SU-31 who actually failed a wing spar in positive loading, the wing started to peel upward, and he was quick thinking enough to roll it over, fly it in inverted, and at the last minute rolled right side up for the landing, at which point the wing finished breaking off.

**BenWA** · 03-20-2006, 07:44 PM

bio-smear pretty much covered it. Like flying in heavy turbulence, aerobatic maneuvers just take time to get used to. At first, your body is like "what the fawk is going on?!" but with time, you learn to deal just like with anything else.

The human brain is seldom very good at adapting very quickly to seeing this:

Not to mention the actual motion sensations. Unfortunately, this sort of conditioning usually takes more time than is available in one flight. As mentioned above, just get into it, focus on how awesome it is, and you'll be fine.