NSR - I HATE activists!!!

[Cono Este]

I for one am a fan of activism, no matter how extreme or "annoying" as long as it is coming from people who are knowledgeable in the field they are being vocal about.

For example, Cal Berkeley activism(whether it is left or right) is far more tolerable than say, uneducated Texan or delusional hippy activism. Hopefully, if I manage to keep my grades up and string together a few coherent paragraphs next fall, I can engage is some Berekely style activism of my own, just to spite Summit.

You mean Bezerkley? Are you kidding me? Texas is moderate compared to that town. Try the campus for the Christian coalition for a better comparison. Anyone who thinks they can ban satellites from orbiting above their town is obviously still on a long long acid trip from the sixties.

Say hi to the penny man for me.

[irul&ublo]

A Berkeley fluffer. How special.

An uninformed dip shit who falls back upon stereotypes to make up for his lack of knowledge. How special. and rush like

[Village Idiot]

An uninformed dip shit who falls back upon stereotypes to make up for his lack of knowledge. How special. and rush like

Let me guess. They didn't accept you, and you've been fluffing them ever since.

Maybe if you didn't do so much LSD in High School, you would have stood a chance. (They like you to save those experiments for their campus)

[Borat]

A school does not denote inteligence; I have met my share of ivy league idiots.

Some of the most vile political movements in recent years have come out of Berkeley.

Remember when "About one-quarter of the 270 graduates of Berkeley's Boalt School of Law donned red armbands over their black robes in a silent protest of a legal memo law professor John Yoo co-wrote when he served in the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel."
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0523-10.htm)
Note: this comes from a leftist website

They trounced him because he wrote a memo that they disagreed with, asking for his resignation. Talk about silencing decent.

I am no card carrying Bushie, but these guys are nuts.

and Berkeley graduates. It is important to remember that "It is possible to get all A's and flunk life."(Walker Percy) "I dream of the day when all Americans will be judged not by the...(college of their choice) but by the content of their character." (A butchered MLK quote)

[Village Idiot]

And just like that, the fluffers high esteem of Bezerkely was shot down, just like his hopes of getting laid tonight....

[summit]

One of my friends was in the Berzerkly Nuclear Engineering program. He said being in that major at that school could sometimes make his life very socially difficult.

[KillingCokes]

Great thread. I say we start "The Coalition For the End of Coalitions". We can get non profit status and go door to door seeking support and donations. Then we'll march from Berkeley to Colorado Springs to Texas then on to Vermont.

I see no difference between Peta, Focus on the Family, Al-Quida, the Taliban or any of the extreme groups out there. Extremism is bad.

I did a sticker when the iraq war started.
"Shut Up and Think What You're Told"
A Message from the Department of Homeland Insecurity

That is my feeling on sheep. Activists stir the fear in everyone. Sheep flock together out of fear.

[Stu Gotz]

When a law professor writes a memo that allows the president to shit on the constitution and tell the American people to fuck off, then yeah, I can understand the protest.

If you can find any legal scholar, conservative or liberal, who has gone on the record with full support of the Yoo memo, I would be surprised. And Glenn Reynolds doesn't count as a great legal mind.

[ddsnake]

....sheeple

[CUBUCK]

Hey dumb ass Idiot...did you konw that UC Berkeley has the pre-eminent B school on the West coast?

Stanford?

[glademaster]

Stanford?

I'm spending 2 months there this summer, so I'll be sure to compare and contrast their respective business schools. The bottom line is that both Cal and Stanford are both among the best universities in the world, regardless of what Village Idiots Guide to College says. I knew that that reference would also hopelessly derail this thread too. Let the pissing contest recommence.

And yes, there are morons anywhere, but I'll take my chances on well educated activism compared to activism spawned by ignorance, no matter where either kind is coming from.

Oh, and IMHO, Yoo is a nutjob, I fully support the protest of his memorandum. The U.S. was(and still is) committing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it needs to be stopped, not quietly condoned through questionable manipulation/interpretation of the law.

[Dr. Gaper]

So . . . how did you like Jarhead?

[Lone Star]

And yes, there are morons anywhere, but I'll take my chances on well educated activism compared to activism spawned by ignorance, no matter where either kind is coming from.

I think that was the whole point of Summit's post-- uneducated activists are what pissed him off enough to start the thread in the first place.

For example, Cal Berkeley activism(whether it is left or right) is far more tolerable than say, uneducated Texan or delusional hippy activism.

That's a funny statement. So, what you're trying to say is that you like activists and activism as long as they support a cause you support. How noble.

[Cono Este]

I'm spending 2 months there this summer, so I'll be sure to compare and contrast their respective business schools. The bottom line is that both Cal and Stanford are both among the best universities in the world, regardless of what Village Idiots Guide to College says. I knew that that reference would also hopelessly derail this thread too. Let the pissing contest recommence.

And yes, there are morons anywhere, but I'll take my chances on well educated activism compared to activism spawned by ignorance, no matter where either kind is coming from.

Oh, and IMHO, Yoo is a nutjob, I fully support the protest of his memorandum. The U.S. was(and still is) committing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it needs to be stopped, not quietly condoned through questionable manipulation/interpretation of the law.

Could you be more specific? Excluding Abu Grabass and Gitmo, and isolated incidents of individuals. what "war crimes" do you refer to? Afghanistan? Examples please.

[glademaster]

I think that was the whole point of Summit's post-- uneducated activists are what pissed him off enough to start the thread in the first place.



That's a funny statement. So, what you're trying to say is that you like activists and activism as long as they support a cause you support. How noble.

Wow, your reading comprehension skills are shittier than I thought. What part of "I support educated activism left OR right" did you not understand? I would rather have educated conservative activism being spewed at me than uneducated liberal activism, despite my obvious leftist leanings. Knowledge is power, liberal or conservative.

[Rusty Nails]

A school does not denote inteligence; I have met my share of ivy league idiots.

Some of the most vile political movements in recent years have come out of Berkeley.

Remember when "About one-quarter of the 270 graduates of Berkeley's Boalt School of Law donned red armbands over their black robes in a silent protest of a legal memo law professor John Yoo co-wrote when he served in the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel."
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0523-10.htm)
Note: this comes from a leftist website

They trounced him because he wrote a memo that they disagreed with, asking for his resignation. Talk about silencing decent.

I am no card carrying Bushie, but these guys are nuts.

and Berkeley graduates. It is important to remember that "It is possible to get all A's and flunk life."(Walker Percy) "I dream of the day when all Americans will be judged not by the...(college of their choice) but by the content of their character." (A butchered MLK quote)

Like Stu Gotz said, the overwhelming weight of legal scholarship crossing ideological partisan lines agree that Yoo's memo (and many other memos penned by DOJ during that timeframe) is, at best, categorized as creative legal artistry and more like a legal travesty.

Glademaster -- I would also like to hear your specifics if you have any above and beyond those presented by your detractor.

[Lone Star]

Wow, your reading comprehension skills are shittier than I thought.

Yeah. What really did me in this time was the redundancy. I think you only made your point five times--- the same point Summit made in the first post of the thread.

Knowledge is power, liberal or conservative.

...and that's why we have the administration we have now, eh?

[The Reverend Floater]

This is the worst thread I've seen in a while.

[Cono Este]

Oh, and IMHO, Yoo is a nutjob, I fully support the protest of his memorandum. The U.S. was(and still is) committing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it needs to be stopped, not quietly condoned through questionable manipulation/interpretation of the law.[/QUOTE]


This is not Peoples Park. You need to give examples when you make such an accusation. Surely they taught you that at Berekley?

You said we continue to commit "war crimes". Which ones do you refer to? And tell me about AFghanistan.

Maybe statements like that can get you laid at Berkeley, but some of us have relatives in service over there, and some of us have served over there, so tell me about these "war crimes".


I want to know.

[edg]

Surely they taught you that at Berekley?
.

Hold the phone - isn't he a 16 year old kid?

edg

[P_McPoser]

The most heinous "on a regualr, everyday basis" thing I hear about from close friends serving over there is catching and returning rocks thrown at them by young children...

But I imagine if they did commit war crimes, they wouldn't tell, close friends or not.

[glademaster]

Hold the phone - isn't he a 17 year old kid?

edg

Yes, I am not at Berekely, I merely aspire to go there. I wish I was, but sadly, I have a year of high school left. Sorry if there was any confusion, as for war crimes, I'm assembling my evidence.

I would also like to add that I fully support the military and what they do, because I sure as hell wouldn't do it myself, so I can't criticize them for that. However, that will not stop me from criticizing the government and military leaders who put American troops in harms way with nothing but spurious evidence to support their actions. In addition, I have no problem with our involvement in Afghanistan. Does that mean that we have not violated the Geneva Convention there, no, it doesn't, but that is at least a justifiable conflict.

[Franz Klammer]

I totally agree with all the hating going on in this thread. There are some types of people who you just have to hate.

My favorite activist experience:

I studied for a year at a superfancy English university (Cambridge). Full of a bunch of rich kids who liked to drink to excess while enjoying being rich. I lived in this room near Great Court and by King's Parade, where most protest marches would go by. So one morning I got up and there was a march protesting in favor of higher wages for the bedders (basically the maids+housekeepers in the dorms). Lots of chanting and singing about university greed and the need to support the workers.

That afternoon there was another march, populated by many of the same people (though this march was a bit bigger). It was protesting rent increases in the university dorms. The rent was going to go from like 800 pounds per year to 1000 pounds per year, which was still less than 1/3 of the market rate for the size of the rooms in this area.

I honestly don't think anybody at the protests saw the irony.

Obviously, those dirty Tabs are just too stupid to see the irony ...

[Borat]

When a law professor writes a memo that allows the president to shit on the constitution and tell the American people to fuck off, then yeah, I can understand the protest.

If you can find any legal scholar, conservative or liberal, who has gone on the record with full support of the Yoo memo, I would be surprised. And Glenn Reynolds doesn't count as a great legal mind.

Yeah, but they asked him to quit.

My point is that people shouldn’t ask for a resignation based on politics; That is no more than silencing dissent, and does not contribute to the discourse. Like his memo or not, he shouldn’t resign in the face of petty politics.

As far as i am concerned, he served his country by writing a Memo, which many people don't like; such an action should not cost a man his job.

I dont support the patriot act. I just think people should be able to contribute to the government without fear of losing their job. If you dont like the law, fire your reprasentitive; a law professor has no legal obligation to serve you.

[Cono Este]

Yes, I am not at Berekely, I merely aspire to go there. I wish I was, but sadly, I have a year of high school left. Sorry if there was any confusion, as for war crimes, I'm assembling my evidence.

I would also like to add that I fully support the military and what they do, because I sure as hell wouldn't do it myself, so I can't criticize them for that. However, that will not stop me from criticizing the government and military leaders who put American troops in harms way with nothing but spurious evidence to support their actions. In addition, I have no problem with our involvement in Afghanistan. Does that mean that we have not violated the Geneva Convention there, no, it doesn't, but that is at least a justifiable conflict.

Do not bother, you have already proved the point of this thread. People making serious statements with very little or nothing to back it up with when they make them.

In the future if you want call Donald Rumsfield a "war criminal" go ahead, that is your right. But making a broad based accusation like that, without reference to anything, and then needing several hours in the library to justify them, is simply pathetic.

Feel free to cut and paste this for your Berkeley application. It should help.

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