is there a doctor in the house?

**Superstar Punani** · 01-05-2004, 05:29 PM

Any advice appreciated from Doctors, pseudo-doctors, quacks and anyone with 2 cents.

Symptom #1. Fist-in-stomach-itis.

Hardrider and myself both lost our beer guts from the endless traverses to stashes. Last weekend I had general muscle soreness in my stomach area.

On a smallish huck-to-flat on Sat afternoon I felt like a knife was thrust in my abdomen, about 3 inches below my belly button. It hurt, burned and I saw a flash of light from the intense sharp pain. After a few minutes of catching my breath I was okay enough to go skiing, but any hucks were out of the question. bumps hurt. The more I skied, the less painful it became. It felt like Arnold himself had rammed his fist into my stomach.

It hurts like hell to do situps. The pain is in the area 2-3 inches below my belly button.

Hardrider has a similar pain to the side. Is this a torn muscle?

(Ladies- on the positive side, I now have my sixpack back, not seen since the summer

)

Symptom 2.
My feet hurt like shit, not while I'm skiing, but usually starts about 1/2 hour after I'm done for the day and take my boots off, presumably because the blood starts flowing again. The area of intense pain is the outermost part of the foot, the bone that sticks out about 2 inches from the tip of the pinky toe. There is a small bunion. It feels like that area was whacked with a hammer then put into a vice and squeezed slowly. Pain lasts about an hour.

**jibij** · 01-05-2004, 05:32 PM

symptom 1 sounds like something potentially appendix related.

CS · 01-05-2004, 05:33 PM

Heh, when I first read the title I thought you were going to be asking about head pains from your two-step-to-double-eject-to-header on the groomer.

Most painful wreck I've seen. Classic.

**Odin** · 01-05-2004, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Punani
It hurt, burned and I saw a flash of light from the intense sharp pain.

(Ladies- on the positive side, I now have my sixpack back, not seen since the summer )

Isn't this how you got into the situation in the first place?

I think they have topical cream for it now though.

**Pinner** · 01-05-2004, 05:36 PM

Sounds like it might be a hernia. Get it checked. Hopefully you'll have a cute nurse practitioner to do the check.

**Beaver** · 01-05-2004, 05:40 PM

Sounds like you gots a hernia to me.

**Dr. Gaper** · 01-05-2004, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Punani
[B]It hurts like hell to do situps. The pain is in the area 2-3 inches below my belly button.

B]

Don't do sit-ups.

**Vinman** · 01-05-2004, 05:42 PM

If the pain is directly in the center of your ab directly below the belly button, most like is muscular related. Especially if it happened right after a huck with a backseat landing, trying to pull yourself forward with the abs could cause a strain there.

If it is situated to the right somewhat it could be appendix related, but other things like general sick feeling and fever would probably accompany that as well as constant pain that gets worse. In short most likely muscular.

For #2 that little bone on the outside of your foot is the 5th metatarsal. There could be a number of thngs that cause pain there.

#1 fracture: but you would most likely remember doing something to the foot, twisting it badly hitting it really hard on something.

#2 bruise

#3 tendon injury. There is a tendon that connects right at that spot

#4 sprain: many ligaments also connect there.

Is there any swelling, discoloration, pain with movement? Do you remember smashing it or twisting the foot/ankle?

**The Reverend Floater** · 01-05-2004, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Punani
It felt like Arnold himself had rammed his fist into my stomach.

Oh, the irony!

Symptom 2.
My feet hurt like shit, not while I'm skiing, but usually starts about 1/2 hour after I'm done for the day and take my boots off, presumably because the blood starts flowing again. The area of intense pain is the outermost part of the foot, the bone that sticks out about 2 inches from the tip of the pinky toe. There is a small bunion. It feels like that area was whacked with a hammer then put into a vice and squeezed slowly. Pain lasts about an hour.

Poon, I had this problem on my right foot 2 years ago. Had a nasty bunion thing removed in a not-as-easy-as-it-seems surgery (9 weeks of recovery) and all is well ever since. Get it checked out. MD will prolly tell you that "it's up to you" but it's "common with avid skiers." Generally it's a tollerance issue. Good luck!

**Superstar Punani** · 01-05-2004, 05:54 PM

Thank you, Minion Quacks

Hopefully its not a hernia. Vinamn- you're right. Huck to flat, backsslap and I tried to pull myself up. The Advils help, but I'll check it anyway. This happened Saturday and I was able to ski all day Sunday. Now it is just a general soreness.

No swelling/discoloration on the foot. My bunion started 2 boots ago (Raichle F-One Pro). I bought another pair of them and they're kinda narrow. Maybe I need to get that metatarsdal section blown out on the boot.....

CS...ahhh, how could I forget! I wish Barnballs videoed that.....for everyone else that wasn't at Mammoth on Friday, we were skiing straight down a groomer on the way to stashes in a whiteout. I hit an invisible bump at a good speed, double ejected from 12 DIN, Superman through the air and landed face first on the groomer. Luckily my goggles and helmet saved me. I was literally seeing stars like in a cartoon for a minute after that. But all's good

**Barnballs** · 01-05-2004, 06:08 PM

Ah, no didn't get the double eject (get new glasses yet?) , but we did get CS throwing himself into the cush...

CS HUCK

CS · 01-05-2004, 06:40 PM

Nice vid Barnballs. I'm just glad it wasn't of my first flail/attempt. It was great to meet and ski with you.

**ArmchairExtreme** · 01-05-2004, 08:12 PM

Symptom #2:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...tailors+bunion

Symptom #1 sounds like hernia. Don't lift anything heavy....

...Unless she absolutely won't get off your face

**Pinner** · 01-05-2004, 08:23 PM

FYI-- I let a hernia go for a long time before fixing it. It's something you can learn to live with, but quite simply shouldn't. In fact, only two or three weeks before surgery I was skiing the Little Pigs couloirs on Pikes Peak. With my guts bulging through a 3-inch tear in the abdominal wall. Yeah baby! You think you're hardcore??

Recovering from that surgery was INCREDIBLY uncomfortable. No sneezing, coughing, shitting, spitting or lifting for a week. Although the doc cleared me for "relations" within 10 days, I dunno who'd be able to sport a boner as looped on vicodin and in as much pain as I was.

But eventually you heal and you get to keep a nice kissable scar.

G · 01-06-2004, 02:05 AM

Here's what to do:

Grab your balls,
Turn your head,
Then Cough.

Do you feel anything?

**ulty_guy** · 01-06-2004, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Geoff
Here's what to do:

Grab your balls,
Turn your head,
Then Cough.

Do you feel anything?

oh, i just do that for kicks

**Ripzalot** · 01-06-2004, 04:33 AM

I had something similar last year. I lost my edge on an icy slope, slid 20-30m and caught my edge back abruptly, sending me into an "insta-squat". It hurt like hell for a few minutes, but I managed to ride it out and even do a few more runs (gingerly). I thought it might be a hernia but it turned out to be just an abdominal strain. It took a week before I was riding again, and two weeks before the pain was completely gone.

Rest up and give it a chance to heal. If it's a hernia, it won't heal by itself! Good luck.

**TJ.Brk** · 01-06-2004, 06:11 AM

Punani. You have a hernia. Basically it's your small intestine punching through your abdominal muscle wall. Your appendix has not burst. You have no high fever, and the pain from a burst appendix would be so bad you wouldn't be able to really move very much. That and you would be dead by now.

You have a hernia. Welcome to the club. It is an out patient procedure now. But you could be out of skiing for 3 weeks min. See a doc. You might be able to put off surgery untill after the season, but you might have to wear a hernia gurdle.

**wookalar** · 01-06-2004, 07:15 AM

Man that's a strange post- I have the exact same stomach injury right now. Getting in and out of the car is agonizing. 2 inches below the belly button. Didn't hurt at all riding sat or sun, but woke up sun night in some pain.

I think it's ski related, but I got all paranoid at work that it was appendicitis or a kidney stone. Feels better today I guess, but sleep last night was rough.

Can you get a hernia in the middle of your abdomen? I thought it was relegated to the side, but that's drawing on shoddy memory at best.

**snowsprite** · 01-06-2004, 07:44 AM

dude, get yourself to a doctor...what are you waiting for!?
Sprite

**house** · 01-06-2004, 08:48 AM

yup i think you can rule out a appendicitis as said before. my friend had that last year, and after a couple days of being a tough guy he finally realized something really was wrong. it burst and he basically almost died. took 2 months in the hospital to get back to normal. just my 2 cents about the appendix possibility. sorry to hear about the possible hernia. (this post took about 20 minutes to type, im kinda stoned off percocet, good shit, not worth gettin your teeth pulled for tho)

**Vinman** · 01-06-2004, 09:50 AM

For #2 is it right on the last knuckle of the pinky toe or farther back towards your ankle?

If on the pinky toe knuckle tailors bunion is right on, if farther back sounds more like a pressure point in your boot and blowing that spot out might do the trick.

If you get the Ab thing checked, have the doc paek at the foot too. If it is farther back towards the ankle still could be a tendonitis type problem. The tendon for the personeal brevis muscle attaches right at that spot. That muscle gets used alot during skiing especially when that foot is the downhill one. It helps us tip the ski on edge and hold it there. If you have pain when turning with that foot downhill this might be the problem.

**FreakofSnow** · 01-06-2004, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by TJ.Brk
Punani. You have a hernia. Basically it's your small intestine punching through your abdominal muscle wall. Your appendix has not burst. You have no high fever, and the pain from a burst appendix would be so bad you wouldn't be able to really move very much. That and you would be dead by now.

You have a hernia. Welcome to the club. It is an out patient procedure now. But you could be out of skiing for 3 weeks min. See a doc. You might be able to put off surgery untill after the season, but you might have to wear a hernia gurdle.

I love that, diagnosing shit over the internet.

**weibo** · 01-06-2004, 10:14 AM

Punani, for your sake I hope it's not the hernia. I have had a few friends go through the op and the post surgury part blows. I also got to be in the post op ward across from a double hernia guy yesterday and man did it look crappy.

**SponsoredByDuctTape** · 01-06-2004, 01:25 PM

Dude, this is wierd. My stomach was killing me on Saturday night/all day Sunday - after we skied together. Hmmmm. I couldn't sit up getting out of bed - had to roll off the bed. Painful, but I could tell it was just overuse of the abs.

As far as the other thing goes, I have had the same problem for years. Finally I got those Conformable silicon liners - fixed everything. Years ago I took some Raichles out of the shop for a week while I was waiting for my new boots to come in. Worst fitting boot ever (for me at least). Too narrow, even with my B width foot. Just pinched the bunions on both of my feet as if there were no liner at all. When I was having my ingrown toenail operated on, the podiatrist was practically begging me to let him get rid of the bunions - something about taking a wedge of bone out, then grinding smooth. I just decided to live with it. It hurts sometimes, but ice helps alot.

On a related note, part of my toe that had the surgery has been numb ever since skiing last weekend (12/26) when it was butt-ass cold up in Mammoth. At first, I thought I had a little frostbite because the numb corner of my toe was kind of black. But that went away so I know I'm getting circulation. Anyone have any thoughts?