Toyota Diesel

[powking12]

Anyone have any first or second hand info. I'm looking at an '88 Diesel 4Runner with about 170 000 km's. What should I check for? What kind of mileage would I get? Etc.

thanks

[Vicious]

If that odometer is true, that only about 105K miles, which is unreal for an '88!

[lemon boy]

I'd try searching: http://www.toyotadiesel.com/forums/ first. They should have a few threads or an FAQ.

Don't have any Toyo specific suggestions but can give generalized diesel use purchasing ones if you'd like.

[powking12]

any help is good Lemon, thanks in advance.

[natty dread]

paging mntlion

[char]

[hijack]

Anyone know why there are diesel Toyota's and Fords all over SE Asia (and probably the rest of the world), but not the US? Emissions restrictions?

And what is Common Rail?

[Viva]

[hijack]

Anyone know why there are diesel Toyota's and Fords all over SE Asia (and probably the rest of the world), but not the US?

They're in Canada, too, eh?

[Orange Julius]

The US likes gas cars. And I bet Detroit struck a deal with Japan to keep those diesels off the market here because it would KILL them.

Could you imagine how awesome a diesel Toyota Tacoma or Camry would be here? Pretty fricken awesome.

[bossass]

They're all over africa too. Helix is what the newer Tacomaish ones are called. Crew cab, 4x4, full size bed, diesel. Nice.

I'd get one. They have older looking ones too.

And more, and better, Land Cruisers than you can shake a stick at.

[bio-smear]

Seriously. If given the choice, I would have definitely gone with a turbodiesel Tundra or Tacoma. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand those jacked up F-350 diesels that have valves as loud as firecrackers, but the smaller displacement turbodiesels are cool. I saw a Jetta wagon TD the other day...a rarity.

Up until 2002 I think, the 4-door Toyota pickup was a thing only seen in foreign countries. Then the 4-door truck craze caught on in the US, and *voila* they're back again.

[lemon boy]

powking-

especially nice in the winter is you can go try starting it early in the AM when it is COLD (ask owner not to plug it in) and check its cold starting ability (usually easy enough to fix even if it doesn't work).

Take it out and drive it a bit up some hills and long straightaways and see how much it smokes, excessive smoke can be caused by a few things, none particularily good.

Take the intake off and look inside to see if there is dirt/dust in there (BAD!) and look at the intake fins on the turbo to see if they look like they've been sandblasted and/or bent (BAD) and making sure nobody is close to the ignition you might see if there is any directional play in the turbo fans (BAD).

Check to see that the oil is a nice black w/o being chocolate frothy (head leak) and try taking off the rad cap and gunning the engine (if it blows coolant out again, head leak).

Char- It is emissions based AND the perceived small US market for consumer diesels, see GM - 1980s.

Common rail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_rail

[flip]

I also recommend http://www.yotatech.com

I would love to have that truck. Pretty much my ideal vehicle. Too bad we can't get them here.

[mntlion]

9liters/100km of normal moutain driving on my hilux. driving banff to jasper with all the passes maybe 10/100, cruising at 90-100km/hr maybe 8. surf should be about the same. $ per /km is about the same as girlguides new subaru impressa

modern motors in calgary is your new best friend.

all parts are availible, but some are for the trucks (R22) some are from the land cruisers, some are hilux, some are forrunners. Find a good toyota diesel mechanic and don't be in a rush.

I have some links to "dealers" in canada that sell them

if the truck is almost rust free, and 170,000km it should be $6000-9000 range.

right hand drive is a PITA in the city (drive thru, parking tickets windows, shoulder checks, etc) but find on the hwy. I was comfortable in a few days, but still after 2 years change lanes and the wipers come on (hand controles backwards)

2.4l or 3.0 liter? I have 2.4 and it will go up the hills OK, some smoke if you really step on it.

PM me for the links etc

[dude_le_skibum]

i have a 4cyl Diesel Landruiser, if you are in no hurry,great ride. 93 horsepower of deadly thunder. its like a south american version deal, its surreal finding parts.

[mrw]

not familiar with Toyota diesels but I'm driving a 99 VW TDI. It's my 1st diesel and I am sold. 50 mpg hwy, 42mpg city, tons of torque. next to zero maintenance issues. If it has a timing belt, find out the frequency of replacement and make sure it's up to date.

[char]

The US likes gas cars. And I bet Detroit struck a deal with Japan to keep those diesels off the market here because it would KILL them.

Could you imagine how awesome a diesel Toyota Tacoma or Camry would be here? Pretty fricken awesome.

The Toyota Hillux is basically a Toyota Tacoma with a diesel engine as far as i can tell.

And they have Ford Rangers in Thailand with diesels, so I don't think it is a Ford-Toyota conspiracy.

[Orange Julius]

The Hilux is indeed a diesel Tacoma, but I would wager you would drown in the paperwork needed to get that through customs into the US. You'd probably have to ship it part by part or something. Not worth the trouble. I just wish they would offer it in the US. Hell, I wish they would still offer the the Tacoma in it's original size, not the giant pug-lookalike monstrosity it is now.

[cj001f]

How tough is a HiLux?

[Snow Dog]

[hijack]

Anyone know why there are diesel Toyota's and Fords all over SE Asia (and probably the rest of the world), but not the US? Emissions restrictions?

And what is Common Rail?

In the US Diesel cars and light duty trucks have to meet the same emissions stardards as gas vehicles. Tough to do. In the rest of the world Diesels get a break.

Common Rail is the newest way to deliver fuel to the injectors. The "rail" is a pipe kept under high pressure that the injectors (with a control valve) feed from. Quieter and lower emissions.

[lemon boy]

In the US Diesel cars and light duty trucks have to meet the same emissions stardards as gas vehicles. Tough to do. In the rest of the world Diesels get a break.

Uhhh, no.

[Snow Dog]

Uh, yes. I used to have links that got into the details but now it's just this clip from a Popular Science story:

In addition, diesel emissions have been specially targeted by U.S. regulators. Diesels spew high levels of nitrogen oxides, gases believed by some experts to be carcinogenic, as well as soot (or particulates), which contribute to the formation of smog. Whereas European pollution standards focus primarily on carbon dioxide emissions and so are achievable by diesel cars, new EPA regulations about to take effect in the United States aim specifically to reduce nitrogen oxides and particulates and will be more difficult for diesel manufacturers to meet.

By "light-duty" I mean 1/2 ton trucks.

[The Reverend Floater]

Diesel rules.

[lemon boy]

Uh, yes. I used to have links that got into the details but now it's just this clip from a Popular Science story:

In addition, diesel emissions have been specially targeted by U.S. regulators. Diesels spew high levels of nitrogen oxides, gases believed by some experts to be carcinogenic, as well as soot (or particulates), which contribute to the formation of smog. Whereas European pollution standards focus primarily on carbon dioxide emissions and so are achievable by diesel cars, new EPA regulations about to take effect in the United States aim specifically to reduce nitrogen oxides and particulates and will be more difficult for diesel manufacturers to meet.

By "light-duty" I mean 1/2 ton trucks.

my only point is they do not meet the "same" emissions requirement as gas engines. They meet a separate requirement that has different components to it.

Your quote also has it bassackwards. Soot is believed to be the carcinogen while NOx is a primary component of visible pollution.

[bagtagley]

My understand was that, due to the U.S. having "dirtier" diesel fuels, many foreign companies are unwilling to import diesel engines because of the relatively poor ignition quality that results from lower cetane numbers. Also, there are issues w/ quality at the pumps in the US (poorly maintained tanks adding moisture and mildew to the fuel) that is more closely monitored overseas (and in Canada perhaps).

That could all be BS, but that was my understanding.

[Snow Dog]

Your quote also has it bassackwards. Soot is believed to be the carcinogen while NOx is a primary component of visible pollution.

Well it is Popular Science...

American Diesel has more sulpher (for lubrication) but it's being phased out very soon. it is harder to come by in urban places but in rural places every fuel station carries it and lots of people have commercial card-lock accounts too.