That only took around a year: Some of the Abu Grahib photos.

[Free Range Lobster]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pho...890737099.html

And just a preview:





Spelling anyone?

[Sensisnow]

Wow, there's some disturbing photos in there. It'll be interesting to watch the fallout once these are shown on TV tonight.

[jennifertalia]

Silkscreen some unflattering images of Mohammed on the guards' shirts and you've got a winner!!!!

[Evil E]

Rapeist... thats great. theyre in direct violation of the geneva convention AND they cant spell for shit.

[Core Shot]

This will not be good.

I am not a fan of abu graib, but damn, freaks be rioting over mutherfucking cartoons. This will not help the freak situation at all.

Thank you very much, Australian journalism.

[13]

This will not be good.

I am not a fan of abu graib, but damn, freaks be rioting over mutherfucking cartoons. This will not help the freak situation at all.

Thank you very much, Australian journalism.

Time to hold ourselves accountable, I say.

[Free Range Lobster]

Time to hold ourselves accountable, I say.

Agreed.

789

[slim]

That Graner guy is a sick fuck.

[mr_gyptian]

Rapeist... thats great. theyre in direct violation of the geneva convention AND they cant spell for shit.

you'd think that after two years you'd learn. do you even know what the Geneva Convention applies to? I'll give you a hint...it's not terrorists. To be a considered a POW it helps to be a soldier in uniform taken captive.

That being said. We could only lose in this situation. It'd be one thing if there was some upside to torture, but everything I've read pretty much refutes its use as an effective interrogation technique. though I guess they don't tell you they beat someone within an inch of their life to get information that leads to actionable and executed inteligence.

[Benny Profane]

Mr Gyp, you are one sad fuck. I was going to say that a more sickening experience than viewing those pictures would be to tune into Rush or one of his sick imitators, and listen to them spin this to non puke status, but I guess we have someone right on the board to start the fun. You must be a sick, scared little puppy to think that is justified. Come live in upstate NY - there's plenty of prisons here - you could find a career that would make you happy to wake up every morning.

Two things to remember. None of these people were charged with a crime. They were caught up in the ultimate "round up the usual suspects" bad luck scene. And they were almost always tortured just for fun, because the torture never involved interrogation - they were abused, and then just led back to their cells. Nice, huh? Makes me proud.

We are fucked.

[mr_gyptian]

Mr Gyp, you are one sad fuck. I was going to say that a more sickening experience than viewing those pictures would be to tune into Rush or one of his sick imitators, and listen to them spin this to non puke status, but I guess we have someone right on the board to start the fun. You must be a sick, scared little puppy to think that is justified. Come live in upstate NY - there's plenty of prisons here - you could find a career that would make you happy to wake up every morning.

Two things to remember. None of these people were charged with a crime. They were caught up in the ultimate "round up the usual suspects" bad luck scene. And they were almost always tortured just for fun, because the torture never involved interrogation - they were abused, and then just led back to their cells. Nice, huh? Makes me proud.

We are fucked.

actually they were terrorists. that's why we're now having to send prisoners elsewhere because it's becoming a terrorist academy in abu ghraib.

Again, my original point is that the Geneva convention does not protect terrorists or non combatants. But the Army Code of Conduct does. That is why Graner and his cohorts are either in the klink or heading there.

as if I had to state it again. I do not support torture as an interrogation tactic, but it's not because people being beaten turns my stomach. It is because it has been proven that torture as an interrogation tactic does not provide actionable results. Christ, our prisons make Abu Ghraib seem like an after school special.

where's the outrage Benny?

[Art Shirk]

I cannot bring myself to post the clip of the journalist being decpaitated with a bowie knife. I am sure some of you have seen it. It is a stark and disgusting reminder of the difference between the terrorists we are up against relative to the injustices at Abu Ghraib. War is sad and horrible in general, but I fear that too many people liken the United States' actions to those of terrorists. This does not diminish our responsibility to be accountable but it cannot go overlooked.

[Free Range Lobster]

actually they were terrorists. that's why we're now having to send prisoners elsewhere because it's becoming a terrorist academy in abu ghraib.

There is 0 proof of that.

I cannot bring myself to post the clip of the journalist being decpaitated with a bowie knife. I am sure some of you have seen it. It is a stark and disgusting reminder of the difference between the terrorists we are up against relative to the injustices at Abu Ghraib. War is sad and horrible in general, but I fear that too many people liken the United States' actions to those of terrorists. This does not diminish our responsibility to be accountable but it cannot go overlooked.

Atleast his pain ended.
These people have to live with it.

[Clack]

Live with being sharpied? That is tough. Fuck I'd rather be dead too.

edit:

"the photos america doesn't want seen" That's becuase we are embarassed of such behavior. They do want us to see them cutting people's heads off. Commonlaw is right. Harumph!!

[Benny Profane]

actually they were terrorists. that's why we're now having to send prisoners elsewhere because it's becoming a terrorist academy in abu ghraib.

You're a fucking idiot. But that's OK, a lot of Americans are, too, when it comes to this subject. Especially that moron most Americans voted for. How the fuck can you look at those pictures and say that?? What, did they all go back to their cells and have a little fucking class?? With a teacher??
"Uh, Professor Ahmed, may I go the bathroom, praise Allah? ...Certainly, Saddam, but be careful around the vicious dogs and crazy ass white trash crackers running around! hahahaha"

Someday I'll take a handful of my outrage and shove it up your ass.

[Free Range Lobster]

Live with being sharpied? That is tough. Fuck I'd rather be dead too.

Dear poster
You are obviously
A: Blind
B: Stupid
C: Unable to look at the origional article with more pictures
D: All of the above

Your solutions are:
A: Stop posting.
B: Kill yourself.

Either solution will work.

And just as an addenum, the first picture is the dude having his teeth forcibly removed sans anesthesia.

[mr_gyptian]

You're a fucking idiot. But that's OK, a lot of Americans are, too, when it comes to this subject. Especially that moron most Americans voted for. How the fuck can you look at those pictures and say that?? What, did they all go back to their cells and have a little fucking class?? With a teacher??
"Uh, Professor Ahmed, may I go the bathroom, praise Allah? ...Certainly, Saddam, but be careful around the vicious dogs and crazy ass white trash crackers running around! hahahaha"

Someday I'll take a handful of my outrage and shove it up your ass.

an idea, Benedict, would be to support your assertion with a fact. Like some type of proof that the detainees in Abu Ghraib were not in fact terrorists.

possibly we could start there.

channel your outrage towards pulling your head out of your ass.

[cj001f]

an idea, Benedict, would be to support your assertion with a fact. Like some type of proof that the detainees in Abu Ghraib were not in fact terrorists.

possibly we could start there.

I'd prefer to start with innocent until proven guilty.

[Free Range Lobster]

an idea, Benedict, would be to support your assertion with a fact. Like some type of proof that the detainees in Abu Ghraib were not in fact terrorists.

I don't know, maybe the mass rounding up of people in certain areas, also those who ran in fear from the dudes with guns also being rounded up and beaten?

You probably think the London PD were in the right for shooting that dude 4 times in the head too huh?

[yentna]

Innocent until proven guilty is definately a good starting place, something we seem to be missing.

Also, think how the "terrorists" feel and view things. If Iraq invaded the US (highly unlikely but bear with me) and occupied OUR country (which is how many Iraqis feel about us, we are occupying their home), we would surely be fighting back tooth and nail just as they are. We'd be kidnapping, bombing, attacking, doing whatever possible to fight them and get our freedom from oppression.

Calling them terrorists instead of POWs or enemy combatants is a very weak argument, and done only to avoid Geneva. Sick.

[mr_gyptian]

I'd prefer to start with innocent until proven guilty.

as would I. I'm sure the Iraqi's would also like to start with going to the voting booth to approve a constitution that gives them these rights with out getting suicide bombed.

[Tippster]

...Also, think how the "terrorists" feel and view things. If Iraq invaded the US (highly unlikely but bear with me) and occupied OUR country (which is how many Iraqis feel about us, we are occupying their home), we would surely be fighting back tooth and nail just as they are. We'd be kidnapping, bombing, attacking, doing whatever possible to fight them and get our freedom from oppression...

WOLVERINES!

[mr_gyptian]

Innocent until proven guilty is definately a good starting place, something we seem to be missing.

Also, think how the "terrorists" feel and view things. If Iraq invaded the US (highly unlikely but bear with me) and occupied OUR country (which is how many Iraqis feel about us, we are occupying their home), we would surely be fighting back tooth and nail just as they are. We'd be kidnapping, bombing, attacking, doing whatever possible to fight them and get our freedom from oppression.

Calling them terrorists instead of POWs or enemy combatants is a very weak argument, and done only to avoid Geneva. Sick.

possibly you'd prefer I refer to them as freedom fighters? these freedom fighters are lead by an Al Qaeda trained Jordanian. more than just a few of these freedom fighters are not from Iraq. The Iraqi's that are part of the insurgency are baathist's utilizing Iranian and Syrian funding to kill their own people. Bear with me Yentna, but would you support the occupied US citizens forwarding their cause by attacking fellow citizens? fellow citizens that only want a few basic human rights. again, you'll have to bear with me but your hypothetical could get a little more in touch with what is actually happening over there.

BTW, I was wondering if you noticed how little the US populace cares about these old pictures? Maybe it's because the perpetrators are in the klink or on their way to the klink. Maybe it's because the Iraqi's have moved on and possibly we should too.

[adam]

Terrorist or not has nothing to do with it. What they did does not justify treatment like that. Those soldiers are a bunch of sick fucks that take pleasure in torture, and (others) extreme pain and humiliation.

Support the troops!

[Free Range Lobster]

possibly you'd prefer I refer to them as freedom fighters? these freedom fighters are lead by an Al Qaeda trained Jordanian. more than just a few of these freedom fighters are not from Iraq. The Iraqi's that are part of the insurgency are baathist's utilizing Iranian and Syrian funding to kill their own people. Bear with me Yentna, but would you support the occupied US citizens forwarding their cause by attacking fellow citizens? fellow citizens that only want a few basic human rights. again, you'll have to bear with me but your hypothetical could get a little more in touch with what is actually happening over there.

Key points:

Al Qaeda
"Terrists"
Baathists

I see your main news pipeline is Fox News.

I suppose you think the rescue of that chick (which was proven to be a huge fucking sham) was real too huh?