HEY MAGGOTS>>>PLEASE ANSWER THIS GUYs QUESTION

[splat]

God bless pickels. Dude rocks.
He a friend of yours, mike?
I can't fault those epic guys for their obsession with angulation. We have our technique gurus, like gordy and nobis and moles, over here. And at camp they all talk about angulation, but with regards to more than just groomers. Their perspectives on angulation are Olympic caliber insights applied to big mountain skiing. And it all makes perfect sense.

[nutcase]

I dunno Leeroy - I'm sure that alot of the epic dudes are really awesome skiers. After all- Highway Star posts on Epic

In all honesty i bet alot of those guys could ski circles around me - but i am still rather sucky

[Z]

Is it wrong to get frustrated with all the kids who "think they like might be going snowboarding once this weekend"? Is this an immature characteristic or will I continue to shake my head and sometimes grow angry with people like this?

I feel bad about doing this, making a distinction between skiers, and people who just call themselves skiers. Is this wrong, or do any of you guys feel the same way?

[/semi-hijack. a lot of the "skiers" here at cu would likely fit in at epic, not here]

Max, CU is full of gapers. You need to look somewhat few and far between. But there are kids who rip and want to ski every second possible.

Most come from more easterly places dreaming of skiing and the THOUGHT of ripping shit on skis. They are more enfatuated with the idea of skiing rather than waking up early and doing it......

[shmerham]

I also think that the "bears" do not live to SKI. Instead of dedicating large chunks of thier lives to spending as much time on as best snow as they can get too, they would rather enjoy a nice meal and a good wine at lunch, enjoy the view, ski a few runs, head down if it gets a little cold and snowy, and spend some quality time with their family in the evening at thier fine resort.

I think that's as ignorant as the comment that we're 20 something punks. I think the epicskiers are just as dedicated to skiing as us, but instead of seeking out perfect pow they seek out perfect turns.

[leroy jenkins]

Is it wrong to get frustrated with all the kids who "think they like might be going snowboarding once this weekend"? Is this an immature characteristic or will I continue to shake my head and sometimes grow angry with people like this?

I feel bad about doing this, making a distinction between skiers, and people who just call themselves skiers. Is this wrong, or do any of you guys feel the same way?

[/semi-hijack. a lot of the "skiers" here at cu would likely fit in at epic, not here]

No man, you aren't alone in this. Sometimes I judge the hell out of random people when I overhear them saying something about how the visibility just got so terrible and they wish it would quit snowing so hard so they're heading down. The funny thing is, I'd get pissed off at them if they stayed up and got in my way too. Although I do this, I try to tell myself to let it go. I truly believe that hatred for anyone becomes hatred for oneself. I find I'm a happier person when I can let myself not think about those people and just be stoked.
The only time these people REALLY piss me off, is when (far away from the hill) they act like they're so extreme and they can outski anyone.

EDIT: Nutcase and Shmerham, you guys responded while I was typing my above post, but I guess it pretty well explains it. Also, I guess I am assuming things about epic. I've only looked at that site a few times, what do I know. It just seemed to me they value the whole "resort expeirience" where mags place most of the value on the skiing.

[Cirquerider]

There is no real sense of community- people aren't super interested in skiing with other "Bears" and on top of all that- all they do is discuss why most skiers can't "carve" as well as them.

You're flat wrong. I stand up for TGR, but you fail to see how similar the Bears can be. Right now, they are holding the Epic Ski Academy at Snowbird and Alta. Starting 2/3/06 they have the "gathering". It starts at Snowbasin Friday, and continues at Deer Valley, PCMR, Canyons and whereever for the Saturday - Tuesday. A large number of "bears" are also "maggots" and ski Bros, Mantras, Gotamas, Legends, Volants (Spats are notably under-represented) and can ski you into the ground. I give you the same advise I give them. Get to know the community before you dis them.

[Max Gosey]

They are more enfatuated with the idea of skiing rather than waking up early and doing it......

Barbara Streisand? "You don't love me, you love the idea of me." Heh.

No, man, I get what you are saying. I think. I started a facebook group called "people who actually give a shit about skiing" and it seems to be effectively singling out the kids who really do like to ski. But being infatuated with the idea of skiing... not quite sure what you mean, as I consider myself the same. I grew up dreaming of skiing and not doing it much, and now that I'm here I'm super stoked. So wouldn't the kids who came from far from good snow have more appreciation from it than the typical 10-day-a-year kid from Aurora who takes skiing for granted? (The ones who take it for granted get me really hot ) What are your thoughts on this?

But I think Leroy is right. I have tried to tell myself "let it go", but it's always in the back of my mind when I hear kids in the dining hall debating whether or not to go up on their day off when I know it's been puking for the last 3 days.

"Take the Power Back" just came on my itunes. This makes me happy in the pants.

Anyway, I think I live to ski, which is why I'm here. So, sorry about the aside... so... back to your discussion of TGR vs Gapic...

[XtrPickels]

Being banned from Epic wouldn't matter much right now. Yesterday was my b-day, I ate too much cake, was up until 4am with a sugar high. Not much was going on here so I surfed around over there. I got pissed reading the threads because they have their heads in their asses sometimes. I mean, if you like your salad tossed thats one thing, but some of what they spew is mindblowing.

Leeroy, yeah, I reposted that. I shoulda made it more obvious that the topic had been played out already... I was trying to get at that.

I've only met one mag (baseweldr on tuesday) and it was a humbling experience, I've meant to post about it. Even though I haven't skied with many of you, the stoke, the insight, the shootin the shit... thats good times. I wish I had the time and money to get out more and contribute to the stoke because half of what I say is useless anyway.

splat-I'm making some ground on the acquisition, hopefully have an update this weekend.

[nutcase]

You're flat wrong. I stand up for TGR, but you fail to see how similar the Bears can be. Right now, they are holding the Epic Ski Academy at Snowbird and Alta. Starting 2/3/06 they have the "gathering". It starts at Snowbasin Friday, and continues at Deer Valley, PCMR, Canyons and whereever for the Saturday - Tuesday. A large number of "bears" are also "maggots" and ski Bros, Mantras, Gotamas, Legends, Volants (Spats are notably under-represented) and can ski you into the ground. I give you the same advise I give them. Get to know the community before you dis them.

I realize alot of maggots are bears also. I've lurked on Epic and still do from time to time- and I am just stating my opinion. I realize many if not most of them could ski me into the ground- as could most maggots. I just see alot more stoke about skiing with other maggots here then similar over there. And I see a significant percentage of all discussion over there on "carving" versus what I see here as just stoke. I have seen many a dope picture here that would get ridiculed on Epic as "upper body is moving too much" or whatever. Admitedly - when looking for advise on skiing technique I will peruse the Epic forum.

[Z]

Barbara Streisand? "You don't love me, you love the idea of me." Heh.

No, man, I get what you are saying. I think. I started a facebook group called "people who actually give a shit about skiing" and it seems to be effectively singling out the kids who really do like to ski. But being infatuated with the idea of skiing... not quite sure what you mean, as I consider myself the same. I grew up dreaming of skiing and not doing it much, and now that I'm here I'm super stoked. So wouldn't the kids who came from far from good snow have more appreciation from it than the typical 10-day-a-year kid from Aurora who takes skiing for granted? (The ones who take it for granted get me really hot ) What are your thoughts on this?

Anyway, I think I live to ski, which is why I'm here. So, sorry about the aside... so... back to your discussion of TGR vs Gapic...

What I mean by that is many kids come out here obsessed with the IDEA of skiing and killing it all the time. But in reality, they aren't as good as they think they are, and end up partying all night/sleeping all day anyways. For some people the idea of skiing 4-5 days a week sounds awesome, but it takes alot of effort.....

And I totally agree. I came from the EC, so I definitely agree with you here. However I still had the motivation to ski a ton back east. Lots of people just say "fuck it" when the conditions are not ideal. But i think it makes you better.

Case in point - I fruck the fruck out last year in vail. My first day skiing there was a soft day, but in no way a powder day. But shit, it was fuckin prime for me. I swear I hucked off every angle/every cliff possible in Northwoods. And I was fuckin stoked. Sore the next day, but stoked.


Know what im sayin?

[Max Gosey]

What I mean by that is many kids come out here obsessed with the IDEA of skiing and killing it all the time. But in reality, they aren't as good as they think they are, and end up partying all night/sleeping all day anyways. For some people the idea of skiing 4-5 days a week sounds awesome, but it takes alot of effort.....

And I totally agree. I came from the EC, so I definitely agree with you here. However I still had the motivation to ski a ton back east. Lots of people just say "fuck it" when the conditions are not ideal. But i think it makes you better.

Case in point - I fruck the fruck out last year in vail. My first day skiing there was a soft day, but in no way a powder day. But shit, it was fuckin prime for me. I swear I hucked off every angle/every cliff possible in Northwoods. And I was fuckin stoked. Sore the next day, but stoked.


Know what im sayin?

I feel you, bruh!!! Err, ya. I gotcha. I guess it's good then that I know I suck and have so many goals in mind (i.e. laughable stuff here like stomping a 15 footer, landing a 3, and skiing straight down the fall line in bumps)? Wish I had your ski background before coming out here, but I guess that's what the "first season in CO" (really a half-season) is for?

I'm not gonna lie, I slept in one day for Eldora when there wasn't any fresh, and I felt like the biggest hypocrite in the world when I finally got up.

I don't know much about Epic other than that the majority of them seem to like groomers. And I would probably go there for advice on ski technique, but I'd definitely come here for advice on gear. And again, that's just my perspective.

[J-Rad]

My problem with a lot of EpicSki folk (doesn't apply to everybody there) is that they are so focused on technique and equipment. Technique and equipment are means to an ends. If you chase after technique/the "best" equipment endlessly, you lose sign of why that stuff matters at all - that "I'm so stoked I want to shiz in my pants" feeling you get when skiing.

TGR is a collection of people who care more about that sweetness you feel that makes skiing what it is than technique. I'm already a better skier that I used to be because mag posts about their powder trips, backcountry adventures, etc. in order to chase that feeling leave me so STOKED. When I ski now, I chase after that same feeling instead of worrying about how to "angulate my skis properly".

Technique and equipment should always be secondary to getting stoked. That's why for me, EpicSki will always be secondary to TGR.

Stoke on maggots.

[Cirquerider]

I realize alot of maggots are bears also. I've lurked on Epic and still do from time to time- and I am just stating my opinion. I realize many if not most of them could ski me into the ground- as could most maggots. I just see alot more stoke about skiing with other maggots here then similar over there. And I see a significant percentage of all discussion over there on "carving" versus what I see here as just stoke. I have seen many a dope picture here that would get ridiculed on Epic as "upper body is moving too much" or whatever. Admitedly - when looking for advise on skiing technique I will peruse the Epic forum.

This I agree with. "Anal". I have skied with maggots and bears. Both communities share in common gapers and skiers that make me look like one. I love the stoke over here. A trip report over there gets one or two responses and a comment like "You seem to be too far back". If you want to get the EpicSki equivalenet of Jonged, post a picture or video. Here, its like the cheerleading section at the biggest game of the year. Shit, those guys were dissing Jamie Pierre's huck. Huge difference. Get your game on, its ski season!

Steelers will rule!

[nutcase]

Steelers will rule!

I liked you until the last sentence.


Go Hawks!!!

[Seldom Seen]

......................................
just go out and ski

Godddaaaamnnn! That was better than a Braveheart speech.

[shera]

I am really struggling with the gapic mentality right now, let me tell you it is PSIA, bigtime. I want to teach so badly that I'm trying my very best to buy in, but it seems so incredibly goofy to me. I just hope I can act like a monkey and mimic their ways without losing my inner skier. And I really want the tools to teach children and to demonstrate.

My ego got taken down at least twenty notches on Wednesday when I had a clinic to get ready for my cert 1. Cert 1 is not all that, I thought it would be the easiest thing ever.

But - I have to ski slow for them. Tidy was the word used, which made me feel a little ill to my stomach. Tidy? I really did get chewed out for how fast I skied - in front of everyone else in the clinic. And this is on my small park skis which will hardly even run. I look at the skis they ride, grown men on 160 length and it turns my stomach too. Park skis is as far as I can bring myself to go in that direction. They even have a giant pile of snowlerblades that we can check out to teach on if we like.

And I simply despise a wide stance. Sorry, but that's the truth, I think it's just gay. And I don't like arms wider than elbows. It feels and looks gay to me. And I like my thumbs in, not up. But I don't take pole plants all that seriously.

On the bright side, I'm practicing this thing called a "carved uphill arc" and it's a pretty interesting feeling when your skis hook up and start railing. Pretty cool.

And they are into good independant motion in the lower body, from the hips all the way down to the toes. This is an area I can improve for sure.

Anyway, being told I don't ski right for an entire day made it neccessary to go and ski a couple of feet of blower as fast as my Explosivs would go. Now that was fun. I haven't done smaller hucks that you can just carry all the speed down without bombholing too much lately either. So that was really fun too.

[bbirtle]

We do our thing, they do theirs... I did a season last year in Zermatt, which is a resort infested with EpicSki types. They never leave the piste and spend hours videoing themselves honing their techniques. "Man you gotta get some carving skis" is one of the first things somebody said to me there. They'll kick your ass on moguls and as you burn down a red/black run they'll be well behind you but doing it in a hellofalot more style. At first I thought they were all a big joke, now I can sort of respect that some of them love to ski as much or more than I do, they just get into different sides of the sport. And even learned from them and my skiing has improved because of it.

A chaotic, anything-goes forum like TGR is bound to come from a group that likes the chaotic, anything-goes nature of freeriding whereas a highly moderated, boring, and anal (but also highly informative) forum like GapicSki from a group that likes the groomed and patrolled, uniform nature of pistes.

Look at it this way: when everybody does freeriding, you get Chamonix - it gets tracked out in 10 minutes while the pistes stay groomed all day. Or go to Zermatt - the pistes are jam packed but the off piste is pow pow pow all the fucking time. Thank god for the pisters.

[Flexon Phil]

Most know me as a (very) active member over "there". I was somewhat active at the old Powder site and just re-regestered here not too long ago after lurking for a while. I like both sites and I think there is a place for both. Do I have Metrons? Yep and I love them. I also have my Fat Bastards. My history with Flexons and Kryptons is well documented and have helped quite a few from both sites.

As far as the quality of skier at either site, I am sure the 80/20 rule applies. 80% of the posters at both sites talk more shit than they can back up. 20% can actually ski well.

LOL, what is funny is this is the type of thread that would usually have gotten blasted here years ago. But with the success of this site and it is a great site, it has gotten toned down a bit, a result of its success.

[shera]

We don't have to do hugs and kisses, do we?

I still thank my lucky stars every single day that I'm here and not there and that maggots taught me about really skiing. The heart of it.

[vinzclortho]

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

uncle crud "What is wrong over at TGR?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It may be me, or my advanced age, but I don't really understand the mentality of some of the posts at TGR. Are they are 20-something punks, or just juvenile adults??


#2 Today, 05:28 PM
uncle crud "

who's only memorable post here was in response to one of my posts:

you really must be kidding.

WTF does the lame-arsed "music" known as "reggae" have to do with Radiohead or OK Computer?

you need to go back to your frat house and put that Michael Franti CD back in, to romance the stupid sorority girls with your "sensitivity" courtesy of Franti.

PS: thank you for NOT visiting Missoula. I know that there are thousands of trustafarian frat boys and soro sisters who would LOVE your bogus "music" but the rest of us bid you good riddance.

fuckin hypocrite

[snow_slider]

fuckin hypocrite

Actually, I think his quote was:

"#2 Today, 05:28 PM
uncle crud
EpicSki Supporter Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Missoula, Montana
Posts: 8,019

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

from your reaction, I'd say that you're off the mark in some ways, and right on target in others.

off the mark -- teenagers or juvenile adults. no, they are just people who have a different flavor of humor than you seem to prefer. nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make them immature. some people prefer the bland comedy of someone like Ellen deGeneres, while others prefer more insult-laden humor. if you don't like the insult humor, probably not a good idea to stick around there.

right on target -- you are inclined to avoid that place based on your experience there. I'd say this is a dead bull's eye. it sounds like a bad fit for you.
__________________
People who sue ski areas should be shot.-- Scot Schmidt, intro, The Blizzard of Aaaahhs."

The words you attributed to Uncle Crud were actually those of the previous poster, not Uncle Crud.

Just sayin'......

[vinzclortho]

touche salesman.


I didn't look at the epic thread, just the start of this one and it looked like he was ringing in with "maggots suck and are immature jackasses."

still wouldn't want to ski with the guy either way.

[MassLiberal]

Shera-

I feel you on the PSIA shit. I had to go through it a couple of years ago, and I hated it. They ski like pussies. But the payoff is pretty big, you get paid more to ski with kids. And the better your certification level, the better skiers you get to ski with. And believe me, kids that are taking lessons have no desire to learn how to seperate everything perfectly, or to angulate, they just want to rip. So you can throw most of that crap out the window and just ski with people and help make corrections where you see them.

But yes, carving can be fun, especially when the entire mountain is a sheet of ice from a never ending rain/freeze cycle. But it is nowhere near as fun as just going out to the mountain and doing whatever it is you want to with your day.

[schindlerpiste]

I used to be on Epic a lot. Now, I hardly go there at all. Too much bullshit and spewing. Everybody is a critic. Too much politics. At least, here, things are said with "a grain of salt" and in a joking manner. Over at epic, the "technique" people think WTF they are, the "witty" people think that they are the "cat's meow" and there are many personalities that I don't identify with (although, there are some good doods there, too). Here, everyone knows where everyone else is coming from, and people don't personally fuck with others...unless they really deserve it. Just my $.02

[Drama Queens]

What's really epic is that you all actually giva a shit. "Oh mammy, I try so hard not to let those people bother me because I know deep down I am better than them." STFUA!