CO. mags - your favorite traffic problem discussed....

[Yossarian]

PAGE TOP SUCKAS!

[lemon boy]

Broader thinking:

Aligned carways where one tire is guided through a groove or something and once you sign onto the CW your car can only travel at a max speed but the speed is always maintained with limited exit zones.

Car barges, similar to a ferry but runs on a track and spills off a load of 50 vehicles at predetermined stops

Economic collapse (oil bowl II) in the metro area leading to exodus

Personal transport pods travelling in a pneumatic tube each one large enough for two people + gear + skis with depots at each major resort and intersection with bussing from each node

[Yossarian]

LOL. Nice work.

I like the pods, but let's go the other way. Why make them discrete? How about a single high speed continous people mover. You know, like a really long, fast moving sidewalk.

[lemon boy]

people are in no way smart enough to get on such a device.

[lemon boy]

Additionally, perhaps you've never watched little kids on a magic carpet but it is flat hilarious when that thing comes jerking to a stop and literally ever single little kid falls

[Yossarian]

so we instead put them behind the controls of two-ton pieces of metal and let them do whatever they want.

[lemon boy]

exactly! And mine is closer to 4 tons thanks

[Lurch]

Does any one know what the benefits of a guided busway are over a dedicated bus lane w/o guides? The sites I've found talk about how they are more versatile then trains etc. but don’t say why the bus needs guides.

[lemon boy]

a guided busway can then go one meeelion miles per hour.

[Mybad!]

You start imposing tolls and you start shutting out low income and other financially disadvantaged people. Now they can't enjoy the mountains but the guy making a zillion dollars driving his range rover can drive up and down at will. This just makes it even more economically unequal than it already is. The mountains are theirs also and no matter what income you make it should not be made harder to unwind if that is what you want to do.

[FrankZappa]

I like the idea of turning 285 into a 4 lane highway all the way to BV with connection to I70 over Hoosier Pass and through Leadville. It would be nice to have a road from Boulder to Winterpark next to Moffat Tunnel as well.

I think mass transit is the way to fix transportation in our cities but the reality is it won't work for summer recreation in Colorado.

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I already ran from this once.......p-l-e-a-s-e, noooooooo...

I vote 8 lanes ea-way on the N side.... Hey, what do you know, there's a perfect place for newer, bigger & better highways. - It's even designated as a national thrash zone: RMNP! right down the center.

[homerjay]

Does any one know what the benefits of a guided busway are over a dedicated bus lane w/o guides? The sites I've found talk about how they are more versatile then trains etc. but don’t say why the bus needs guides.

Guided busways require substantially less lane width than normal bus lanes, i.e., it only needs to be as wide as a bus. This is especially critical on horizontal curves and areas where ROW width is limited (I-70). One could assume that they'd be safer and less susceptible to adverse weather as well as less susceptible to misuse by other people. If it were a non-guided bus lane, there'd be escalades galore poaching it.

[Yossarian]

You start imposing tolls and you start shutting out low income and other financially disadvantaged people. Now they can't enjoy the mountains but the guy making a zillion dollars driving his range rover can drive up and down at will. This just makes it even more economically unequal than it already is. The mountains are theirs also and no matter what income you make it should not be made harder to unwind if that is what you want to do.

You're absolutely right.
We should make the toll dependant on each person's income.
To each as they require, from each as they can contribute.
I like your thinking comrade.

[Cornholio]

I also had the idea- which could be added to the existing guided busway-- of modular busses. Each one is drivable as is, but could hook together train style for true mass transit.

Then cars just detach to go to Winter park, or Breck, or whatever.

This is a really damn good idea, by the way.

[Cornholio]

MyBad-

Perhaps, comrade, you've already given your car to the low-income family down the block? In that case, you'll not need to worry about the tolls.

Thanks for your contribution.

[Lurch]

I also had the idea- which could be added to the existing guided busway-- of modular busses. Each one is drivable as is, but could hook together train style for true mass transit.

Then cars just detach to go to Winter park, or Breck, or whatever.

This is a really damn good idea, by the way.

The problem I see in that is that you have to pay drivers to sit in the following buses and basically do nothing. Maybe they can be paid a lower amount during those times? There is also the cost of the added technology to make the buses attachable and controllable from a lead bus. Will you make up those costs in fuel efficacy and higher throuhput?

[Yossarian]

What if the local modular drivers stay local? So, you have one long haul driver per bus-train who starts in Morrison and goes to Eagle or Glenwood or whatever and back, and you have many local bus drivers who pick up their buspod at the regional stops to take it on its local route? In between regional pickups, they do laps on the local route. Everyone wins? Or, like you said, they get paid for time on the local route, but lower comp while "commuting" on the regional portion? Or some combination of the two?

EDIT: IE, just make it one integrated local/regional system. Then we're just talking about a bit of a resource allocation and crew scheduling problem, and a fleet sizing problem. Both of these issues have been well analyzed (although I can't claim they're always well executed) in the airline, transit, rail, and other industries.

In fact, one of the things you'll see happening out of the big consulting companies in the next couple years is a push on asymmetric human resource scheduling for large corporations, like an IBM, Nestle, etc, who routinely move around their people based on some combination of skill sets and needs. Think of it as the HR equiv of portfolio optimization. A litttttle bit scary, but I promise it'll be happening soon.

[lemon boy]

except for the taxpayers you two socialists!

[Danno]

Guided busways require substantially less lane width than normal bus lanes, i.e., it only needs to be as wide as a bus. This is especially critical on horizontal curves and areas where ROW width is limited (I-70). One could assume that they'd be safer and less susceptible to adverse weather as well as less susceptible to misuse by other people. If it were a non-guided bus lane, there'd be escalades galore poaching it.

Can you (or someone else) explain more about what a guided busway is? I mean, I more or less get the idea in a general sense based on this post, but I have never heard of it before. Are these just regular buses outfitted with something special? Do bus drivers still drive them while they are guided or is it automated? Is the bus drivetrain still moving the bus? What happens if a bus breaks down? Do these exist elsewhere, or is this proposal revolutionary?

Edit: thanks for all the "inside" information; I know it's all publicly available but all of us fucktards are too stupid or lazy to find it.

[Yossarian]

no no no LB!

You mean, except for the taxpayers AND the users. Those poor fuckers who want to actually do anything in the mountains around here would have to pay taxes AND tolls. Suckers. Ha!

Oh wait.

[Lurch]

Can you (or someone else) explain more about what a guided busway is? I mean, I more or less get the idea in a general sense based on this post, but I have never heard of it before. Are these just regular buses outfitted with something special? Do bus drivers still drive them while they are guided or is it automated? Is the bus drivetrain still moving the bus? What happens if a bus breaks down? Do these exist elsewhere, or is this proposal revolutionary?

Edit: thanks for all the "inside" information; I know it's all publicly available but all of us fucktards are too stupid or lazy to find it.

http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/tra...ll_it_work.htm

[cj001f]

Do these exist elsewhere, or is this proposal revolutionary?

Adelaide, Australia .... since the mid80s. A number have started in the UK since the mid90s. Only revolutionary in that it's Americans thinking about public transport.

[FrankZappa]

Horses, wagons, Model-A's...?

I-70 just W of Silver Plume. Mt. Sniktau.
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It wasn't much different than this just 35-40 years ago. A lil' blacktop on it & it was US 6.

Can we expect the same for all the other roads in another 35-40?

Not too many "Fun" ones any more. (Indy, Wolf Creek - they're all being "Super-Sized" & safety-ized)

[board]

I would have voted for the monorail. MONORAIL!!!!

Ask Ogdenville or North Haverbrook how much they like theirs.

[cj001f]

Ask Ogdenville or North Haverbrook how much they like theirs.

Or Seattle