BOOTS: Injected Foam Liners? Boot cant controls? Custom insoles?

[summit]

Injected Foam Liners:
Old line... Cold and uncomfortable, racer toys...
or...
Surefoot... "Solution to all your boot ills... even iff the shell brushes your forefoot without the liner in. fixes cant issues too!"

Boot cant controls (especially the Technica dual system):
Cures your foot ailments!
or...
BS marketing... gotta grind the sole or do stuff with the bindings

Weighted molded vs unweighted molded custom insoles?

Technica interchangable flex insert thingies... joke or no joke?

Trying to get my brother fitted for boots. He has a severe cant problem on one foot. He skis inbounds out east... he found the Technica Rival 9 and the Nordica W10 fit the best.

[HotRutteredBum]

Can't honestly say about the liners I would think that there the racers toy very low volume
Tecnica dual pivot does work but it's a pain in the arse Let the boot dood mess with it
Grind the sole ?? Shim the bindings if you need to cant that much, easier to correct. won't work on system binding

Foot beds Depend on the boot dood I don't recomend cork
I've had a pair of weight moulded for seven years now , ( just for ski boots ) and I've had a non weighted foot bed For Walking ( which I used for Skiing)had less give. Didn't feel right in the boot

Flex adjust insert works Try both on, one in and one out

About your bro What ever feels the best on his feet

[Arty50]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
Injected Foam Liners:
Old line... Cold and uncomfortable, racer toys...

Very untrue. I packed out the stock liners on my Atomic boots rather quickly and they were never just right to begin with. I had them replaced with Confor'mable foam liners and my feet have been engulfed in orgasmic bliss ever since.

That said, there are two kinds of foam. One sets up very hard and is meant only for racing. The other is softer and I assume that's what I had done. Either foam will fill all the voids between your foot and the shell. You'll still need a foot bed though.

Also, they're perfectly warm.

[L7]

Foam liners properly done can be pretty good. They could fix some cant problems but shouldn't really be used for that. They could just as easily create or worsen cant problems. They tend to be colder because the foaming process can squeeze a lot of the air out. They also can squeeze areas of blood flow. An old pair of foams I had used to freeze my heels because of the foam in tight either side behind the ankle.

The side cuff adjustment on the Technica is OK but could use more adjustment range, having the adjustment on both sides helps. Get him a good footbed THEN adjust the cuff to his leg and THEN think about canting under the boot. The cuff can be moved beyond the normal range in the stock unit but it's a pain in the ass.

I like foam tongues better than foam liners but then I have low volume at the front of my ankle.

Newer foam does tend to foam softer like Arty said but I still think it tends to be colder. I like the liners that have bleeder hoses out the front for the foam instead of the internal vents and no escape for excess foam. It's easier to control density and be certain of the filling with the bleed lines.

[splat]

I think the silicone is colder, but fits better. Been through foam pack-out twice with my technicas, which I love for control, but hate for fit. Also, it seems the plastic in technicas is extreme;y temp-sensitive, requiring a lot of micro adjusting with different temps for the fit I want.

[summit]

Update: He bought Nordica W10s and is using the stock liner and a SureFoto footbed. He will ride tomorrow.

His foot problem was actuall NOT CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15-20degree outward tibial rotation. Very rare. Got Jeff Bergeron (sp?) to mount the bindings and an angle on one ski, however, to fully correct he woulda needed Gotamas or something. Only about 2 deg of correction. Oh well... fuggit.

[splat]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
Update: He bought Nordica W10s and is using the stock liner and a SureFoto footbed. He will ride tomorrow.

His foot problem was actuall NOT CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15-20degree outward tibial rotation. Very rare. Got Jeff Bergeron (sp?) to mount the bindings and an angle on one ski, however, to fully correct he woulda needed Gotamas or something. Only about 2 deg of correction. Oh well... fuggit.

Interesting. Tell bro to find an OrthoBionomist in your area. I'll bet in one or two treatments that rotation can be fixed at the source, negating the need for alignment compensation in a manner that will allow it to continue.

[summit]

Originally posted by splat
Interesting. Tell bro to find an OrthoBionomist in your area. I'll bet in one or two treatments that rotation can be fixed at the source, negating the need for alignment compensation in a manner that will allow it to continue.

An orthobiowhat????

His bone is congenitally misfigured. You can't just treat that.

My dad's a doc. If it coulda been fixed it woulda been fixed.

Jeff Bergeron is one of the best, if not the best, bootfitter/stancefixer/orthotic/alignment types in Summit and all of its bordering counties.