Apple's MacBook Pro

[focus]

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

i want one

[Bzzzt]

Me too, when Apple realise that charging 40% more than similar products is not an insanely great idea

I also want LightRoom.

[focus]

Me too, when Apple realise that charging 40% more than similar products is not an insanely great idea

I also want LightRoom.

pshhhh.

downloading lightroom right now....

[Arty50]

Me too, when Apple realise that charging 40% more than similar products is not an insanely great idea

Ok then. I bet you a beer that you can't find a similarly configured Core-Duo based notebook that's 30% cheaper than the MacBook. Hell, let's make it 10%.

[Meathelmet]

I just wonder what kind of circus starts with the "program upgrades"...

It is nice that i have programs worth about 4000€s in my machine.

If i would update them to be IntelTM compatible, i guess that i either:

A)Have to buy completely new programs,paying 4000€ AGAIN.
B)Buy the "upgragde" and pay 3000€ AGAIN!

Fuckfiuckfuck!

[Arty50]

It all depends. Adobe probably won't release a binary (Intel compatible) version of Photoshop until their next major upgrade (CS2 -> CS3?), which is expected towards the end of 2006. Apple is releasing binary versions of all its pro apps in March, and they're charging $49 for the upgrades. Some smaller companies have released binaries already and aren't charging a thing.

[Meathelmet]

It all depends. Adobe probably won't release a binary (Intel compatible) version of Photoshop until their next major upgrade (CS2 -> CS3?), which is expected towards the end of 2006.

Ok.
So that apparently goes along with the predictions that the powermacs intel versions would come out at the second or third quarter.

Still...sheesh...

I guess it is just to suck it up and pay.

[Bzzzt]

Ok then. I bet you a beer that you can't find a similarly configured Core-Duo based notebook that's 30% cheaper than the MacBook. Hell, let's make it 10%.

I was thinking about performance, not all the tiny little bits inside

(If this is the beginning of a pro/con MacOS thread, I will have to get some help from a die-hard Apple colleague who runs out and buys anything with the apple on, is the only one at the tech/development department with a mac, has insisted on "wiring" the offices with AirPorts, runs a small company on the side where he installs telephone callcentres using Mac Minis, etc, etc. He agrees with me that the MacBook is more expensive than other, Intel-based laptops. But then again, everything Steve Jobs presents is extremely fast, all the time)

[Arty50]

I was thinking about performance, not all the tiny little bits inside

(If this is the beginning of a pro/con MacOS thread, I will have to get some help from a die-hard Apple colleague who runs out and buys anything with the apple on, is the only one at the tech/development department with a mac, has insisted on "wiring" the offices with AirPorts, runs a small company on the side where he installs telephone callcentres using Mac Minis, etc, etc. He agrees with me that the MacBook is more expensive than other, Intel-based laptops. But then again, everything Steve Jobs presents is extremely fast, all the time)

Well, Im glad he agrees with you. Unfortunately he doesn't know shit either. Want a cheap Apple laptop? Get an iBook. Want a performance Apple laptop? Get a MacBook. If you're going to compare things, as least compare like items. That's why I said, compare a MacBook to a CoreDuo Wintel machine. The Lenovo (formerly IBM) ThinkPad with Core Duo is essentially the same price as a MacBook. And last time I checked, the CPU is hardly a "little tiny bit."

Look, I don't mean to be abrasive. I'm just sick of ignorant people repeating the same crap over and over again. It's just not fair to compare professional hardware to basic consumer machines. Apple has two lines of products (consumer and professional), yet people are always comparing professional Apple hardware to bargain basement Wintel junk (I'm not saying all Wintel machines are junk). If you compare Apple to Dell, you start to see that their machines are priced very, very competitively. Yet you don't see people bitching about Dell's prices.

[Mcwop]

I just wonder what kind of circus starts with the "program upgrades"...

It is nice that i have programs worth about 4000€s in my machine.

If i would update them to be IntelTM compatible, i guess that i either:

A)Have to buy completely new programs,paying 4000€ AGAIN.
B)Buy the "upgragde" and pay 3000€ AGAIN!

Fuckfiuckfuck!

One word - Rosetta

[The Jackamo]

i'm gonna wait it out until the middle of this year when i have enough scratch to either:

a) buy a macbook (god, i hate that name, though), if, and only if, adobe comes out with an x86 version of CS2 - rosetta can only do so much before you start noticing a slow down in speed, and i use PS heavily.

or

b) buy a powerbook and just load up all the apps i have now over to it. the PowerPC machines might even see a drop in price by then because Apple might have the entire Intel notebook lineup out.

or just ebay it, but i'm much too lazy for that.

[Arty50]

It should be interesting to see Photochop bake offs once people get their hands on the hardware. I'm willing to bet that it runs decently on the MacBook. Not great, but reasonably ok. And once Photoshop is available for the MacBook, it's gonna SMOKE the old Powerbooks. The G4 was outdated 2-3 years ago. The frontside bus is horrendously inadequate.

[Bzzzt]

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Ok, ok, ok! MacBook is the fastest computer on planet Earth!

[Meathelmet]

One word - Rosetta

Two words: Suck it.

Rosetta might work with smaller applications, but the applications i use...no way.

So updates i need...

To start with :

-Finalcut pro 2 update =699$
-Photoshop CS 2 ->CS 3 = $?
-Indesign = $?
-Illustrator = $?
-Logic Audio=$?

= A lot of $$$$. Or here it is €€€€€€, because everything is 20-40% more expensive around here.Boo-hooo.

I guess ill go for a powermac quad when the macintels come out. Could get a decent price of them that time too.

Well, who knows.

[Arty50]

-Finalcut pro 2 update =699$
-Photoshop CS 2 ->CS 3 = $?
-Indesign = $?
-Illustrator = $?
-Logic Audio=$?

Apple has said that binary (aka. Intel compatible) versions it's pro apps (ie. Final Cut Pro) will be available for a $49 upgrade. So if you have Final Cut Pro 5, you're all set. If you need to upgrade to 5, well that's a different story.

Ok, ok, ok! MacBook is the fastest computer on planet Earth!

Of course it is. It's all because the case is made of unobtanium. Seriously though, thing's should get interesting now. Bakeoffs between Mac Photoshop and Windows photoshop will all be on the same hardware. Now it's about the OS. I ain't taking bets.

[dirtybryan]

The hardware in thsoe is definitely impressive, and I don't think the price point is really all that absurd. I know this may seem like a stupid question, but would you now be able to run windows on it since we are now talking the same hardware?

[majortom]

I know this may seem like a stupid question, but would you now be able to run windows on it since we are now talking the same hardware?

It is rather... why would you want to when they run OSX?

[Meathelmet]

Apple has said that binary (aka. Intel compatible) versions it's pro apps (ie. Final Cut Pro) will be available for a $49 upgrade. So if you have Final Cut Pro 5, you're all set. If you need to upgrade to 5, well that's a different story.

Yup.
Thats apple. Finalcut 2 -> 5 =699$

All the other programs are adobes.

Since i can work with most of the progs under 9.x or 10.x, well, this new stuff will get expensive.

Cant help it.


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[The Jackamo]

would you now be able to run windows on it since we are now talking the same hardware?

what people seem to forget is that even though all the hardware is the same now, apple's disk format is HFS+, which is worlds different than FAT32/NTFS. so there's no way you'd be able to dual boot OSX and XP unless you somehow figured out how to format your other partition as FAT32 or NTFS (and i've heard that causes nothing but problems).

[dirtybryan]

It is rather... why would you want to when they run OSX?

I just loathe the idea of changing OS's, learning switching programs I've become familiar with, a smaller open source community, etc...

Plus I enjoy my HL2. So the hardware would be great, but the OS not so. Really this computer hardware wise is perfect for me. A fully loaded non 17" screen. Which I want, because I want it to be more portable then a 17 would, put still be a desktop replacement, and when I get home just be able to plug it into a bigger screen.

[dirtybryan]

what people seem to forget is that even though all the hardware is the same now, apple's disk format is HFS+, which is worlds different than FAT32/NTFS. so there's no way you'd be able to dual boot OSX and XP unless you somehow figured out how to format your other partition as FAT32 or NTFS (and i've heard that causes nothing but problems).

Thanks for explaining.

[Arty50]

Thats apple. Finalcut 2 -> 5 =699$

You're jumping 3 full versions and whining about paying that much. Any company would rape you at that point, it's not an Apple thing.

what people seem to forget is that even though all the hardware is the same now, apple's disk format is HFS+, which is worlds different than FAT32/NTFS. so there's no way you'd be able to dual boot OSX and XP unless you somehow figured out how to format your other partition as FAT32 or NTFS (and i've heard that causes nothing but problems).

Actually, that's not the problem. Windows runs on HFS+ right now; Virtual PC allows this. However, Virtual PC is really slow because it has to translate code from PPC to x86. The next version won't have to do that; it will access the hardware directly. So it should be super fast. BTW, Virtual PC is now owned and developed by MS.

Dual booting is more difficult. You'll have to partition the drive, with one partition being HFS+/UFS and the other being FAT32/NTFS. Also, Windows XP does not work with EFI (which the Mactels use), it only works with BIOS. Windows Vista however will be EFI compatible.

[Raps]

BUMP to see if anyone ordered one or has gotten their hands on them.......looks like the first batch has shipped......i'm eagerly awaiting mine to come in a few weeks.........

[Free Range Lobster]

what people seem to forget is that even though all the hardware is the same now, apple's disk format is HFS+, which is worlds different than FAT32/NTFS. so there's no way you'd be able to dual boot OSX and XP unless you somehow figured out how to format your other partition as FAT32 or NTFS (and i've heard that causes nothing but problems).

Yes, It'll run winxp.
No, its not hard to repartition the HD and split it between HFS and NTFS.

[mtbakerskier]

FYI, Aperture kicks the shit out of lightroom.