A jet plane on a large treadmill

**Lurch** · 01-18-2008, 12:53 PM

To all idiots who think the plane won't fly.

How the fuck do you think it gets through the air once it's off the ground?

**Tippster** · 01-18-2008, 01:01 PM

You watch - they're positing (unlike the OP) that the treadmill speed is tied to the wheel speed, not vehicle movement. Therefore if the wheels rotate at x the treadmill rotates at -x. Since the propeller/jet moves the plane independently of the treadmill (as has been shown ad nauseam) the wheels and Treadmill will rotate nearly instantly at the speed of light...

What's weird is that the posed environment has absolute friction between the wheels and treadmill, but 0 friction in the bearings.

**focus** · 01-18-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by bio-smear

...having to move toward inifinite speeds...

Who the fuck cares about infinite speeds?

**focus** · 01-18-2008, 01:06 PM

I thought I had a pretty good handle on it before, but I'm no longer sure who's arguing for what result on what basis.

edit: I'm pretty sure bio-smear thinks I'm arguing for something that I'm not.

**bio-smear** · 01-18-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by focus

Who the fuck cares about infinite speeds?

Me, for one. My mass is large enough without having an infinite increase.

**Dantheman** · 01-18-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

To all idiots who think the plane won't fly.

How the fuck do you think it gets through the air once it's off the ground?

Wizardry.

**timvwcom** · 01-18-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by focus

I thought I had a pretty good handle on it before, but I'm no longer sure who's arguing for what result on what basis.

That's EXACTLY what makes arguing here fun!!!

**Tippster** · 01-18-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Wizardry.

If you smoke the right weed and squint in the right way your avatar looks like Gandalf's hat.

Uncanny.

**Rontele** · 01-18-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

How the fuck do you think it gets through the air once it's off the ground?

pechelman wills it.

**MrZach** · 01-18-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Provocyclist

$100 (or beer equivalent) says the plane will not take off.

I'm on my way to Provo!

**Core Shot** · 01-18-2008, 01:31 PM

Here's a twist on the same idea.

1 Plane is travelling through the air at 200mph.
2 It touches down onto a really long treadmill that is going 200mph in the other direction.
3 Pilot leaves the jet engine revved at the same throttle (and thus air speed).

Do you really think the plane comes to a standstill ?

Of course not.
The fucking thrust is the same - the jet is still hauling ass away from you at 200mph.

Moroons!

**grrrr** · 01-18-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Core Shot

Moroons!

Dude, your so stupid you cant even spell that right. It's moorons.

**Dantheman** · 01-18-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by MrZach

I'm on my way to Provo!

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Meh, I don't have much confidence that Ace & Gary won't fuck this up.

**Sphinx15** · 01-18-2008, 01:40 PM

**Poop~Ghost** · 01-18-2008, 01:43 PM

somebody selling wizard exploders?

There's definitely right and left weed, but never wrong weed.

**The AD** · 01-18-2008, 01:52 PM

"No property in physics where a stationary object causes a velocity."

I guess he missed the week on magnetism.

**Toadman** · 01-18-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by bio-smear

No.

Also, Mythbusters will prove nothing, as what you've moved into now are theoretical discussions about the treadmill speed having to move toward inifinite speeds to apply force against something that will not react to force in that axis.

I concede that the wheel bearings will seize at 50,000 rpm, unless they are german.

Doesn't matter if they are german bearings, they must be made of ceramic.

**Lonnie** · 01-19-2008, 01:37 AM

This is a Google Bomb....

**neodoc** · 01-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by The AD

"No property in physics where a stationary object causes a velocity."

I guess he missed the week on magnetism.

magnetism...the tape was not magnetic...the comment delt with the argument that the tape was causing a velocity.

There are a couple of other forces that will cause an acceleration (0 velocity to a > 0 velocity) from a stationary object such as gravity and electric charge. But the comment made was in regards to the stationary scotch tape causing a velocity.

Doc

**woodstocksez** · 07-09-2008, 06:50 PM

I hope this puts an end to this debate: http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=502219

As you can see, the cats did not take off.

**Sea 2 Ski** · 08-20-2008, 07:36 AM

Did Anyone else see the Mythbusters on this?

**Brock Landers** · 08-20-2008, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sea 2 Ski

Did Anyone else see the Mythbusters on this?

Nope. And nobody else saw that the plane will not take off.

**Skipig25** · 08-20-2008, 08:41 AM

external power (not running on ground) will take off.

so plane with jets=take off, with wheels spinnin' like a mofo

car on runway, will not take off, because it will not be moving relative to the earth. (car 100 mph forward - treadmill 100 mph backward) (and cars can't fly)

you on a treadmill - won't fly

you with a jetpack on a treadmill - would be fucking sweet. and you'd fly.