A jet plane on a large treadmill

[Tippster]

Oh well. You're wrong, tippster. But I guess I don't actually care.

I'm not, and you do.

[Brock Landers]

I wish I knew who was faking and who is still trying to convince people that the plane would do one thing or the other.

[TNKen]

I think the plane would pull a Steve Miller.

Ken

[Tourette Dude]

And the answer is......

[Core Shot]

I think the plane would pull a Steve Ray Vaughn.

Ken

fixed it for ya.

[timvwcom]

I read page 1, then clicked to page 2... and quickly said "what the FUCK are these idiots discussing for more than 12 pages???" Jumped to page 22 (another WTF?) to add... which is likely to have already been covered YEARS ago (and NO thanks to the 'tard that bumped this), that the;

JET ENGINES ACT ON THE AIR, NOT ON THE FUCKING TREADMILL IDIOTS... Even if it were a 100 mile treadmill, the force of the jet engines (pushing against said air) would push the mutha fuckin plane (with or without SNAKES BTW {or skates, which was a good analogy in said first 2 pages} ) up to take off speed relative to land/air and it would "take off"!!!

Pheww... saved 21 pages of reading 'tards arguing there. (And sure bet'cha missed some good 'umor dere eh, sorry!!!)

(Also, no sooner did I hit "submit" than I realized another way to say the same shit is; Imagine you are standing on a treadmill on roller skates (read on page 1 or 2?) BUT BUT BUT, you have a set of monkey bars above you. Start the treadmill (at ANY speed) but hold on to, then pull forward rung after rung on the money bars and you'll move forward, right???!!!! SHIT YES!!! Same thing as the jets acting on the air...)

Oh... Since you asked; "red wine", and "yeah, lots" and "YES" I do think I'll have to go back someday and read the other 21 pages of the thread.

[ProHoHater]

So let me get this straight...what your saying is that if I wear a condom, I never really even touched the girl so it cant be cheating, right?

[Dantheman]

I'm not, and you do.

No, he's right, as long as the treadmill is pegged to vehicle speed and not wheel speed (i.e. with some kind of radar gun setup, not the car's speedometer).

Car will move forward at X, treadmill will move backward at -X and the wheels will be spinning at 2X.

[doughboyshredder]

It's really simple.

Do you feel the wind across your face while running on a treadmill?

No.

That is because no matter how fast you run, if the treadmill is matching your speed there is no increase in the airflow across your face.

Get it?

No increase in the airflow. No lift.

Plane won't fly. Looking forward to Mythbusters proving this once and for all, even though it seems so basic.

[Tippster]

No, he's right, as long as the treadmill is pegged to vehicle speed and not wheel speed (i.e. with some kind of radar gun setup, not the car's speedometer).

Car will move forward at X, treadmill will move backward at -X and the wheels will be spinning at 2X.

well.... duuuuuhhhhh....

stomp stomp stomp...

SLAM

*sob*

EDIT:

And Doughboy comes to the Retard rescue.
-If Airplanes moved forward due to propulsion from Legs (or wheels) you would be so right. Yet they do not, so you are wrong.

[Dantheman]

It's really simple.

Do you feel the wind across your face while running on a treadmill?

No.

That is because no matter how fast you run, if the treadmill is matching your speed there is no increase in the airflow across your face.

Get it?

No increase in the airflow. No lift.

Plane won't fly. Looking forward to Mythbusters proving this once and for all, even though it seems so basic.

You're even dumber than your website implies.

[Toadman]

So let me get this straight...what your saying is that if I wear a condom, I never really even touched the girl so it cant be cheating, right?

Well, it depends. Was there any kissing involved? If so, you're fucked.

[bio-smear]

No, he's right, as long as the treadmill is pegged to vehicle speed and not wheel speed (i.e. with some kind of radar gun setup, not the car's speedometer).

Car will move forward at X, treadmill will move backward at -X and the wheels will be spinning at 2X.

No, he's not right. The simply fact that the freely-rotating wheels represent a disconnect in the kinematics between the treadmill and the air-propelled plane means that no equation can exist between the treadmill and the plane. Wheels will be spinning at NX, it doesn't matter and isn't valid. No longitudinal force can be exerted on the plane through the interface of the wheels.

Anyone still in this argument is only in it for the joy of rhetoric. I also notice you're now using "car" which is a further tangent moving away from the actual myth.

[Beaver]

I really like the way this topic brings out the true stoopidity of some people.

It's really simple.

Do you feel the wind across your face while running on a treadmill?

No.

That is because no matter how fast you run, if the treadmill is matching your speed there is no increase in the airflow across your face.

Get it?

No increase in the airflow. No lift.

Plane won't fly. Looking forward to Mythbusters proving this once and for all, even though it seems so basic.

[Tippster]

No, he's not right. The simply fact that the freely-rotating wheels represent a disconnect in the kinematics between the treadmill and the air-propelled plane means that no equation can exist between the treadmill and the plane. Wheels will be spinning at NX, it doesn't matter and isn't valid. No longitudinal force can be exerted on the plane through the interface of the wheels.

Anyone still in this argument is only in it for the joy of rhetoric.

We were talking about a car, and that the treadmill moves in relation to the vehicle, not its wheels.... but thanks for being there for me.

Regarding the plane, if the treadmill is tied to the speed of the wheels they would both be rotating at the speed of light rather quickly (assuming there is no drag/friction at all.) At that point the wheels would need to rotate greater than the speed of light (c+Takeoff speed) for the plane to take off, which is impossible.....

[bio-smear]

At that point the wheels would need to rotate greater than the speed of light (c+Takeoff speed) for the plane to take off, which is impossible.....

Only german bearings are capable of this.

[Tippster]

Airbus always wins... [/Boeing whine]

[Dantheman]

No, he's not right. The simply fact that the freely-rotating wheels represent a disconnect in the kinematics between the treadmill and the air-propelled plane means that no equation can exist between the treadmill and the plane. Wheels will be spinning at NX, it doesn't matter and isn't valid. No longitudinal force can be exerted on the plane through the interface of the wheels.

Where in that post did I say anything about a plane?

I also notice you're now using "car" which is a further tangent moving away from the actual myth.

I said "car" because the little discussion Tipp, Focus and I are having is a about a...wait for it...car. Focus postulated a tangential argument that even a car would move forward on the treadmill if the treadmill speed was not pegged to the wheel speed (i.e. treadmill speed = speedo reading), but instead pegged to vehicle speed (i.e. via some kind of radar gun setup). Tipp disagreed, but I agree with focus and presented an argument to Tipp that was apparently convincing as he seems to have eaten his crow and gone to pout in the corner like a nancy boy ( ). If you would like some further explanation of why I think the car will move, please let me know.


edit: me type slow

[focus]

Amazing.

bio-smear: The equation between the airplane and the treadmill is expressly stated in the premise. This equation applies as equally to a car as it does an airplane.

doughboy: I have no words.

[bio-smear]

Who the fuck cares about cars? Anyone who brought up a car in this discussion, I slap you across the lips with my silk barnstormer scarf.

[bio-smear]

Amazing.

bio-smear: The equation between the airplane and the treadmill is expressly stated in the premise. This equation applies as equally to a car as it does an airplane.

No.

Also, Mythbusters will prove nothing, as what you've moved into now are theoretical discussions about the treadmill speed having to move toward inifinite speeds to apply force against something that will not react to force in that axis.

I concede that the wheel bearings will seize at 50,000 rpm, unless they are german.

[Hugh Conway]

You're even dumber than your website implies.

I believe it's spelled your

[Dantheman]

Who the fuck cares about cars?

Because if a car (whose power is transmitted directly to the treadmill) will move, then a plane (whose power transmission is completely independent of the treadmill) will most certainly take off. Not that I expected it to end the discussion, but it's an interesting thought experiment.

[Lurch]

If you are this dumb how do you even get you pants on in the morning?

It's really simple.

Do you feel the wind across your face while running on a treadmill?

No.

That is because no matter how fast you run, if the treadmill is matching your speed there is no increase in the airflow across your face.

Get it?

No increase in the airflow. No lift.

Plane won't fly. Looking forward to Mythbusters proving this once and for all, even though it seems so basic.

[Provocyclist]

$100 (or beer equivalent) says the plane will not take off.