Rossi FKS 180 vs. FSK 185

[Sockerfarsan]

Anyone who knows the difference between the toe pieces of the Rossignol FKS 180 and the current FKS 185 bindings? The old toe looks like this: http://www.freeride.nu/admarket/photo.php?id=16681

Any major improvements in the new toe piece?

[gwat]

Basically they function the exact same, both have 180 degrees of release.

I personally ride the one piece toepiece (Look P18/Rossi 185) because it is a single piece which means there is no way it's going to break. Not that the 180 toepiece is any more fragile, but the solid toepiece gives me peace of mind.

Anyone have comments re: durability of that 180 toepiece?

[BradyCU]

I have the 18.5's and love em! I too like the single piece toe. Good solid feel to them like old 9'16's. either way I'm sure you'll be fine

[flip]

I have the fks 150 (same toe piece as your pic) and they're great. As bomber as anything, no play or flex, and I think the rollers help release. I'd buy another pair if I came across them.

[gwat]

I don't think the fks185/p18 have upward release at the toe, only lateral release, like salomons or older looks.

Nope, they do indeed have upward release. This myth may have been started by this years Powder Gear Guide which incorectly stated the toe only has lateral release. They also said in the gear guide that the waist of the Legend Pros has been increased this year from 92 to 97, which is also totally untrue. I dunno who did their research but they need to be fired.

[Sockerfarsan]

Nope, they do indeed have upward release. This myth may have been started by this years Powder Gear Guide which incorectly stated the toe only has lateral release. They also said in the gear guide that the waist of the Legend Pros has been increased this year from 92 to 97, which is also totally untrue. I dunno who did their research but they need to be fired.

Ok, now I'm lost. You're talking about the current P18/FKS185? Do they have upward/diagonal release? I've been told (from shops, not only Powders gear guide) that it only releases to the sides.

[trainnvain]

The FKS 185 is a reskinned ZRS toepiece as far as I'm concerned. That's a good thing.

[gwat]

How does the mechanisim work?

Basically the toe (185/155/P18/P15/ZR/etc..) is on a ball pivot and can swivel in any direction. side to side, upwards, diagonally......

[Z]

Basically the toe (185/155/P18/P15/ZR/etc..) is on a ball pivot and can swivel in any direction. side to side, upwards, diagonally......

That's pretty interesting, i didn't know that..

On another note i have both p18s, and rossi 8-18s with the geze toepiece and they both rock. Last year i was pretty sure i had broken the geze toe cause I dug myself out of a bombhole and saw the 180 release thing was vertically up and down, weird....Snapped in back straight and haven't had a problem since.....Bomber.

[Meathelmet]

I dug myself out of a bombhole and saw the 180 release thing was vertically up and down, weird....Snapped in back straight and haven't had a problem since.....Bomber.

You mean the toe wings or the whole toe chassis?

I had a weird crash last year where one of the wings of my toepiece (P14) had turned up.
A bit of pole and it went back to it´s place and it has been working as normal ever since.
Are you talking about the same thing?
Uh?

[marshalolson]

The FKS 185 is a reskinned ZRS toepiece as far as I'm concerned. That's a good thing.

as far as i can tell, the old look zr toe is gone, and the new stuff (p14/18) is based on the geze mechanics of the FKS toes... just a diff. shape.

[gwat]

as far as i can tell, the old look zr toe is gone, and the new stuff (p14/18) is based on the geze mechanics of the FKS toes... just a diff. shape.

No, trainvain is right, P18/FKS185 is the same as the old ZRS, they just tweaked the toe cosmetics to look like the P14s.
The P14 is based on the Geze toe like you said. Is everyone confused yet?

This is a P15/P18/FKS185/FKS155:

which is what sokerfarsan is asking about in the original post.

[gwat]

No kidding, huh? Can you cite any offical documentation that states this?

Information on the binding if very scarce, I have never seen a tech manual or schematic drawing online.

[Z]

You mean the toe wings or the whole toe chassis?

I had a weird crash last year where one of the wings of my toepiece (P14) had turned up.
A bit of pole and it went back to it´s place and it has been working as normal ever since.
Are you talking about the same thing?
Uh?

Yeah, I think we're speaking the same language. The Toe wing was pointing straight up when my skis came off(like flip-flops of course ) Little bit of force it popped right back, no problem since.

[marshalolson]

No, trainvain is right, P18/FKS185 is the same as the old ZRS, they just tweaked the toe cosmetics to look like the P14s.
The P14 is based on the Geze toe like you said. Is everyone confused yet?

This is a P15/P18/FKS185/FKS155:

which is what sokerfarsan is asking about in the original post.

the ZR toe did not have vertical release

[Meathelmet]

the ZR toe did not have vertical release

But does the P 14 , Power 140, Axial 140 have, as it sounds?

Was that thing that I and Z wrote about a "upward","vertical" release or what?

[marshalolson]

But does the P 14 , Power 140, Axial 140 have, as it sounds?

Was that thing that I and Z wrote about a "upward","vertical" release or what?

vert release: p12/14/18/fks/geze

non vert release: zr

[Spats]

But does the P 14 , Power 140, Axial 140 have, as it sounds?

Was that thing that I and Z wrote about a "upward","vertical" release or what?

Yes, but I've never heard of a wing getting stuck like that before.

The mechanism on the Geze toe is simple and ingenious. The toe wings are attached via a pivot to a bolt, and pulled up against the toe housing by the release spring. The shape of the flat part where the wings sit on the housing controls how easy it is to release laterally vs. vertically. It's easy to see how this works: just turn the DIN down to minimum or below and you can move the wings with your fingers.

It's also easy to diassemble if you're curious: just unscrew the DIN adjustment screw all the way and everything will fall apart. It's a bit tricky to reassemble, though, so do it in the evening on a table with good light, not at the hill.

[gwat]

the ZR toe did not have vertical release

Nope, ZRs DO have vertical release. P18s and ZRs have the exact same mechanics.

[marshalolson]

are you sure?

if you pull the spring of a ZR and of a fks, they flop around very differently.
for sure geze developed the vert toe release design currently in use, would look use that technology before rossi bought geze? expecially since the ZR toe is based on older designs from look.

if i'm wrong thats cool, not trying to get into a pissing match...

anyone want to pull their zr spring and see if it too has vert release? highway star?

[gwat]

We're getting way off topic here. But anyway..
Before ZRs Look had their 3D bindings, which were the same as ZRs except for the paint. The whole concept of the 3D is the 3 directions of release - left, right and up. Look has been using that toepiece for at least 15, if not 20 years.

[marshalolson]

We're getting way off topic here. But anyway..
Before ZRs Look had their 3D bindings, which were the same as ZRs except for the paint. The whole concept of the 3D is the 3 directions of release - left, right and up. Look has been using that toepiece for at least 15, if not 20 years.

total thread hijack.

looks like i'm wrong. never mind.

[SafteySquad]

do any of you guys have spare breaks for the P18/turntable bindings? I broke one of the arms on my brakes when I was bending it wider and now I need a replacement.