977's vs 912's

[laseranimal]

Question for Mechmaster and the collective:

Why do my 977's feel much more stable and have fewer "toe wiggle" issues then my 912's? Or am I just imagining things?

[gh444]

you have to constantly tighten the wings on 912s or yes they do become sloppy. phillips head will do wonders!

-aaron

[laseranimal]

yeah I know that you constantly need to tighten the toe wings on a 912 my question is why do you have to do it on the 912 and not so much on the 977?

[crashnburn'd]

I really don't know anything about 977's, but do they have two adjuster screws for the wings?

[laseranimal]

yup two screws

[crashnburn'd]

Stronger design than 912s, which most people agree are not great if you're big or ski hard.

See this thread, it basically explains it

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36340

[Mechmaster]

Most toe wing play issues in Salomon bindings are caused by improper setup; i.e. not setting the forward pressure, toe width, and toe height, in that order.

Over-tightening the toe wings will cause them to strip due to additional load applied by the forward pressure spring.

Although the 977 has independant toe wing adjustment, the mechanism is essentially the same as the 912. If your 977s are not the Equipe model, the heels are the essentially same as well.

So it comes down to setup:

Fully back off the toe wings and toe height adjustments. Click the boot into the binding. If required, pry the heel adjustment tab upwards and slide the binding fore or aft. Foreward pressure is correct when the arrow on the tab lies in the indicated area on the housing. Ensure that the toe wings DO NOT contact the boot during this step.

With the foreward pressure set, slowly turn the toe wing adjustment screw until the wing just contacts the boot. The goal here is 3-point contact at the center of the boot sole, and each toe wing. Tighting the wings past this point will over-stress the mechanism and lead to premature failure (stripped adjustment).

Gradually, adjust the boot height until it just contacts the AFD. Back the mechanism off slightly (~1mm) and you're done.

[El Chupacabra]

ˆˆˆ Printed & saved -- good info -- thanks-

[Arty50]

Gradually, adjust the boot height until it just contacts the AFD. Back the mechanism off slightly (~1mm) and you're done.

Speaking of which, when the Sobchaks abandoned me for the Bay Area, Senor Sobchak took his Salomon toe height card with him. Does anyone know where I can get one of these? It makes the toe height adjustment oh so easy.

[flip]

Question for Mechmaster and the collective:

Why do my 977's feel much more stable and have fewer "toe wiggle" issues then my 912's? Or am I just imagining things?

Flat AFD on the 977s vs Spheric AFD on the 912s. Flat AFD is a firmer platform and gives your boot less leverage against the wings of the toe piece (which will flex). It is that exact feature that also makes the 912s more likely to release in a twisting fall.