Ya'll need to see:

[alto]

Futureproof by Absinthe Films
Paradox by Standard Films - Their website is overloaded so find the teaser (and others) here.

A wise man once said to me, "When you are older, you will realize that snowboards are a more efficient tool for decent."

I got these movies 3 days ago and havn't stopped watching them since, as far as progression, they blow the ski films out of the water.


Also lookin' interesting is First Decent by MD films (that would be Mountain Dew). Some awesome big mountain footage in the teaser (available at the same link as Paradox).

It should be noted that I like Spatulas a lot.

[iceman]

That wise old man was trippin'.

Might be more fun for you or him, but more efficient? Bzzzt.

[alto]

That wise old man was trippin'.

Might be more fun for you or him, but more efficient? Bzzzt.

I didn't mention the word fun.... But more efficient? Yes, I think so. Fewer variables in the equipment, (typically) more surface area, and the sideways stance all contribute to efficency. Think about how hard it is to ski mashed potato crud on skis vs. busting through it with a board. I think maybe the exeption would be skiing on ice around poles stuck in the ground.

[Tippster]

Heelside!

HEELSIDE, GODDAMMIT!

I love decency.

[dogwonder]

I didn't mention the word fun.... But more efficient? Yes, I think so. Fewer variables in the equipment, (typically) more surface area, and the sideways stance all contribute to efficency. Think about how hard it is to ski mashed potato crud on skis vs. busting through it with a board. I think maybe the exeption would be skiing on ice around poles stuck in the ground.

and any runout...

[aspenskibum]

hmm, thats why skiers have done bigger cliffs, bigger tricks, and ussually gnarlier lines. snowboardings cool, and i don't feel any competition, in fact most of the freinds i ride with are boarders, but even they admit that skis are more versatile and let you go bigger.

[MOHSHSIHd]

you guys have it all wrong....geez

A wise man once said to me, "When you are older, you will realize that snowlerblades mounted with freerides in walk-mode are a more efficient tool for decent."

[joshbu]

and any runout...

Heh. Who even needs a runout? A good 30 yards of flat and a foot or two of deep pow is usually good enough... God forbid there be a small _uphill_ section. (gasp!)

[runethechamp]

At least traversing is easy on a snowboard

[joshbu]

hmm, thats why skiers have done bigger cliffs, bigger tricks, and ussually gnarlier lines. snowboardings cool, and i don't feel any competition, in fact most of the freinds i ride with are boarders, but even they admit that skis are more versatile and let you go bigger.

Dude: We may bag on the snowboarders about having to boot out and walk, but if you think that there isn't a snowboarder that rides just as gnarly lines and drops things just as huge with just as wild tricks as skiers, well, you've got a bag over your head.

Just cause your boarder friends aren't as extremo as you says nothing about snowboarders in general. There are plenty of boarders who can ownersize you. Deal.

[alto]

Aspenskibum: Bigger cliffs has nothing at all to do with efficiency (and you gotta remember snowboarders can't really backslap). Bigger jumps? Well, we do have Candide Thovex, but this past spring Mads Johnson broke the world record for the biggest jump off a table top jump at 187 feet (http://www.snowboardermag.com/news/world_record/). Gnarlier lines? Have you seen a Jeremy Jones movie part ever? Especially the one he does this year in Paradox (seen below)? Then again, Hugo Harrison's on our team...

I think individual performances vary greatly and absolutely unbeleivable things are possible on both single and double planks. I am talking about the actual mathematical efficency of the tool itself. I don't math, so I can't give any physics based proof, but a snowboard just seems more practical, logical, simple for decending.

edit - as far as acent and traverse go though? psshhh

[Max Gosey]

A wise man once said to me, "When you are older, you will realize that snowboards are a more efficient tool for decent."

What about for the indecent? The malicious little rippers that cuss and toke up on the lift chair? Are snowboards more efficient for them too?


Jeremy Jones is the muthafuckin' mang. I have mad respect for the snowboarders who DO go big and ride outside the park and even, yes... moguls. It proves they want to be versatile riders and expand their skills in as many dimensions as possible. It just seems like there are fewer of them (proportionally) than skiers. The percentage of skiers in CO who rip and are really devoted just (qualitatively) seems higher than that of really dedicated snowboarders. Which basically says skiers on average take the sport more seriously...

I'm just basing that on my experience of meeting lots of snowboarders around campus who are just like "ya... I snowboard... I guess" and talking to skiers who you can tell are passionate about skiing.

Thoughts on dedication demographics?

[Eldo]

Advantage, skis: Putting on equipment, riding lifts, climbing up, traversing, flat out runs, uphill sections.

Advantage, snowboards: Actually making turns.

Yep, when it comes to efficiency, skis win by a huge margin.

[LIP]

It's lunch time. I want a taco. No wait, I think it's going to be chile rellenos from Las Fuentes. Mmmmmmm. Snowboards make really efficient shelving and coffee tables in my experience. Way more efficient than skis for sure.

[warthog]

I do both.

Skiing has its advantages, and so does snowboarding. I, myself, find that I can go much bigger on skis. Landing, however, is easier on a big snowboard. Navigating steep terrain is easier on a snowboard. Riding crud, well I think fat skis win that battle. Speed chatters on a snowboard are not fun. On skis you can just point 'em and not worry about how your edges are going to hold. Traverses, well you know who wins that battle. Although, I used to ride some pretty sweet step-ins that made the chore a lot more enjoyable.

As far as the more efficient descender, I might agree with you. But, full day riding on skis leaves you much less worked than a snowboard. I don't think they are ultimately more efficient. If this sport was only about descending, you may be on to something. But, look at what mtn you are on. Vail- Snowboarder friendly. Bridger- not so much.

In the end, they both have their days. The one advantage snowboarding does have- the boots.

[freshie247]

A wise man once said to me, "When you are older, you will realize that snowboards are a more efficient tool for decent." QUOTE

Foolish statements for 100 please!

[freshie247]

[QUOTE=alto]Aspenskibum: Bigger cliffs has nothing at all to do with efficiency (and you gotta remember snowboarders can't really backslap).

BS! You should go into politics and utter sentances like compasionate conservatism, & more importantly,

"I HAVE NO CLEAR RECOLLECTION OF THAT." 1,472 times.

[skiski]

Granted, I've only snowboarded twice, but it always seemed to me that the lack of a second edge is a big negative on anything steep and/or hard. The inability to move back uphill at all is a big drawback too. I'm not just talking about long traverses - I mean the times where you ski down and stop and realize that it would be a bit easier if you were 5 feet higher so you could move a little to the right/left before that big cliff/tree/rock/icey patch that's now below you.

I know that they are easier to learn on, but I think that once you get better, they hold you back a bit. Not that it's anything a good rider can't overcome, but there are disadvantages.

[Eldo]

...As far as the more efficient descender, I might agree with you. But, a full day riding on skis leaves you much less worked than a snowboard. I don't think they are ultimately more efficient. If this sport was only about descending, you may be on to something. But, look at what mtn you are on. Vail- Snowboarder friendly. Bridger- not so much.

Excellent point, the mountain you are on makes a big difference. Some places I dread being on a board because of traverses, etc and prefer to use skis. Other hills are ideal for the board.

Doing both sures makes for an expensive hobby though.

[f2f]

"I don't math, so I can't give any physics based proof"

for $200 please

[/threadjack]

[yentna]

Granted, I've only snowboarded twice, but it always seemed to me that the lack of a second edge is a big negative on anything steep and/or hard. The inability to move back uphill at all is a big drawback too. I'm not just talking about long traverses - I mean the times where you ski down and stop and realize that it would be a bit easier if you were 5 feet higher so you could move a little to the right/left before that big cliff/tree/rock/icey patch that's now below you.

I know that they are easier to learn on, but I think that once you get better, they hold you back a bit. Not that it's anything a good rider can't overcome, but there are disadvantages.

You can always hop up five feet, that's not difficult. Looks funny, but isn't difficult.
And with a board, you don't need that second edge. If you trust your edges, they hold on steep stuff way better than skiis, IMHO. You don't have to coordinate two edges, just get the one dug in there and you are golden.

Now, I also have to disagree with you on the learning curve - it is WAY easier to learn to ski, but hard to get good on skiis, while it is harder to learn to snowboard but easier in the long run to get really good on. Your whole first day on a board you are stuck on your ass, learning to stand up. Skiing starts you off standing - much easier. I didn't fall once my first day on skiis, and I was hauling down blue runs, yet it's taking me a while to learn pow. My first day boarding I almost got a concussion, and bruised my tailbone so badly I couldn't sit for days, yet within a few weeks on my board, I was ripping pow in the trees and hitting tables in the park.....and since I teach both sports, I see the same thing with most students.

Anyway, I love to board and I love to ski, and it's great being able to say "oh, it's this kind of snow today" or "oh, we're going to THAT resort today" and be able to pick the appropriate tool. Just bought fat skiis..........

P.S. I hate it when people of one sport bash those of another, whether it's my friends that board being pissed at skiers, or some of you guys hating boarders. Not all of you of course, but some, and it's really childish IMHO.

[yentna]

Excellent point, the mountain you are on makes a big difference. Some places I dread being on a board because of traverses, etc and prefer to use skis. Other hills are ideal for the board.

Doing both sures makes for an expensive hobby though.

No shit. It sucks in that aspect.

[ak_powder_monkey]

who cares who goes bigger snowboarding just looks gay

[shane-o]

At least everyone knows how to spell "snowboards".

[Ubersheist]

Oh good lord... another troll and/or idiot... Who else would would post on a ski-dominated board that snowboards are superior but a relative newbie?

Alto - no one on this forum will dispute that snowboards have thier advantages, and snowboarding in general has done heaps and heaps to advance skiing. As a skier, I love watching Craig Kelly, Travis Rice, Victoria Jealous, and Jeremy Jones do thier thing. This slightly congealed melting pot does not need any stirring.

However, them telewhackers are just plain STOOPID.

Edit: Also, don't you spell it "snow boarding," too?