Touring Boots Vs Alpine Boots

[stuntmanbo]

I've been using a Vulcan already and a Mercury before that for 8 seasons I've been using an Dalbello/Intuition in them first and then a Full Tilt/Intuition, both wraps.I have a high-ish instep, stock liner was garbage, and an Intuition Pro Tour, not so great.So yes, you have a point, probably a tongue liner is not the best idea, I guess I'll just order a new Intuition Tour Wrap.

[XXX-er]

yes the Mercury followed by the Vulcan the liner was SO bad I often wondered who at Dynafit got paid off to buy the Palau liners ?


How could they sell us this shit that chi chi looking piece of suede on the instep was really just the back of a piece of naugahyde


In comparison Scarpa could buy intuition liners, real dynafit lowtech fittings for their Maestrale, the local ski store sells out 2 complete orders and scarpa appears to still be making money ?

[plugboots]

I buy used boots but put a new liner in them.Just bought some almost brand new 2019 Vulcans. Debating between an Intuition, or trying the Zipfit GFT

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Oh, I’m saying this as a many times, and current Intuition user. 2 seasons in my zips for alpine, and I wanna replace the Intuitions in my Scarpas.
Mofro has the boot sizing thing right, I believe. My scarpas are the same size as my Hawx, both have the big toe blown out. I think the new Zips will fit in the Scarpas but prolly not the GFT, ( w/o removing all the cork goo), so then what would be the point.
You want less than Zero slop.
Try on some new ones, shop for used, get new liners. Or buy new.

[californiagrown]

^^^ Ive heard zips are a huuuge PITA to put on. That doesnt bode well with my low tolerance for fiddlefactor on-mountain. Are zipfits not as difficult to deal with as ive heard? Fiddlefuckery is one thing at the car first thing in the morning (as shitty as it may still be), but if they are as tough to get on as ive heard, that would really punish the user if shoe-boot transitions are needed in not-ideal situations. then again, maybe im just scarred from some recent recent adventures/poor decisions of where and when to transition from shoes to skiboots/skis. Also, arent zipfits noticably heavier than intuition? When swapping liners, i always noticed an immediate weight savings from the intuition liners. Are you just THAT sold on the fit of zipfits that you think any other deficiencies are minor in comparison? Ive wrung the last bit out of my current powerwraps (200+ days and 3.5 bakes) so i am in the market for new liners this summer...

[plugboots]

^^^ Ive heard zips are a huuuge PITA to put on. That doesnt bode well with my low tolerance for fiddlefactor on-mountain. Are zipfits not as difficult to deal with as ive heard? Fiddlefuckery is one thing at the car first thing in the morning (as shitty as it may still be), but if they are as tough to get on as ive heard, that would really punish the user if shoe-boot transitions are needed in not-ideal situations. then again, maybe im just scarred from some recent recent adventures/poor decisions of where and when to transition from shoes to skiboots/skis. Also, arent zipfits noticably heavier than intuition? When swapping liners, i always noticed an immediate weight savings from the intuition liners. Are you just THAT sold on the fit of zipfits that you think any other deficiencies are minor in comparison? Ive wrung the last bit out of my current powerwraps (200+ days and 3.5 bakes) so i am in the market for new liners this summer...

Yes, they are a pain in the ass without a doubt, and yes, the fit is worth it.
The new espresso liner which is coming out for next season, (apparently), is going to have a new inside material that allows you to keep the Zip in the shell, (they told me that when I emailed them about a Zip for my Scarpas), but I hate buying anything in it’s first year, so I’ll let somebody else be the beta tester. In this case in particular, it’s a brand new material. They’re putting in the liner and the thing I love about the Zips is the heel hold, and I can’t help but feel it’s going to affect the heel hold.
You should probably get the intuition. They are really nice. They’re light and they’re warm.
The zip fit thing is like the first time you taste some really good coffee, food, wine, or you have a really good experience, and then you’re kind of ruined to go back to everything else.

[zion zig zag]

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Yes, they are a pain in the ass without a doubt, and yes, the fit is worth it. The new espresso liner which is coming out for next season, (apparently), is going to have a new inside material that allows you to keep the Zip in the shell, (they told me that when I emailed them about a Zip for my Scarpas), but I hate buying anything in it&rsquo;s first year, so I&rsquo;ll let somebody else be the beta tester. In this case in particular, it&rsquo;s a brand new material. They&rsquo;re putting in the liner and the thing I love about the Zips is the heel hold, and I can&rsquo;t help but feel it&rsquo;s going to affect the heel hold. You should probably get the intuition. They are really nice. They&rsquo;re light and they&rsquo;re warm. The zip fit thing is like the first time you taste some really good coffee, food, wine, or you have a really good experience, and then you&rsquo;re kind of ruined to go back to everything else.

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My understanding of the new espresso liner is that it&#39;s intuition type material in the toe but zipfit cork in the heel. So you get the hold and customization in the heel with the warmth and lightness of the intuition. If even mostly true, I&#39;m all in.</p>
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And as far as getting into a zipfit, it&#39;s not that bad. As a matter of fact, I started doing the world cup entry into my ZGTP&#39;s even with my intuition liner because it&#39;s easier than getting in with the traditional method with that boot.</p>

[mr_pretzel]

If you ski an intuition inbounds don't bother with a zipfit, fiddle factor, they get wet, they're heavy and they dont really fit that well in most touring shells in my opinion anyway.

Just go try on some boots and see what fits and then buy a used pair, an ax120 with power wraps isn't crazy performance to recreate in a touring boot either.