Heel slack BOA idea

[Cocximus]

I’ve been struggling with heel hold forever, and I recently came up with an idea that I’d like to get the forum’s feedback on.

What if the shell had internal BOA laces attached at the bootboard, heel pocket, and spine? The laces would go over the liner, with the BOA string routed through a hole in the shell to an external dial. This setup would tighten the liner back into the shell in a much more even way than cranking down on buckles.

The biggest issue I can foresee is getting the liner in and the strings properly positioned on top. It should not be too big of an issue with cabrio boots.

While this wouldn’t add much overall shell tightness, it should comfortably eliminate the micro-slack in the liner.

What are your thoughts?

[tompietrowski]

We have wanted to do this for a while. It’s already in our snowboard boots called boa conda. Unfortunately the realities of getting it to work in a ski boot have upon until now meant it has not been possible . But one day I will have it in a boot!

[stealurface831]

So triple boa?


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[Cocximus]

We have wanted to do this for a while. It’s already in our snowboard boots called boa conda. Unfortunately the realities of getting it to work in a ski boot have upon until now meant it has not been possible . But one day I will have it in a boot!

Can you share what challenges you had? I am looking for some old snowboards boots to experiment with. The conda system looks great.

[gwat]

Get shells that fit.
Insert Zipfits.
/endthread

[tompietrowski]

Can you share what challenges you had? I am looking for some old snowboards boots to experiment with. The conda system looks great.

The main issues with it are getting a material heel lock to work well with a plastic shell. It may sound easy to secure it but the reality is it gets pretty complex to get it to work correctly. The other hard part is the routing for the boa system. It needs to go through the shell and this adds a lot of complexity especially if you still want to produce a boot which can be easily worked on. It’s funny it seems simple and we can proto it but then when you start to think how tooling would work and how you would actually produce it it becomes much more complex.

[byates1]

So triple boa?


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Getting closer to quad boa

[stealurface831]

Getting closer to quad boa

i'm still holding out for boa binding.

[XXX-er]

usually heal hold is wrong boot that is too big

[Cocximus]

I’m in Vulcans/Mercurys that are undersized so I need a length punch. Enlighten me, what boot have I missed? ZGTP with a bunch of foam that feels terrible? ZipFits are cool, but I’m holding out for a proper touring version.

The main issues with it are getting a material heel lock to work well with a plastic shell. It may sound easy to secure it but the reality is it gets pretty complex to get it to work correctly. The other hard part is the routing for the boa system. It needs to go through the shell and this adds a lot of complexity especially if you still want to produce a boot which can be easily worked on. It’s funny it seems simple and we can proto it but then when you start to think how tooling would work and how you would actually produce it it becomes much more complex.

Yep, routing would be an issue. Steep angles would probably bind and not work.



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[byates1]

That new Rossi boot has some buckle cable thing on the instep. Step in marketing. Revolutionary

[Judo Chop!]

Kinda sounds somewhat similar to the dynafit ridge boot, no?

[ticketchecker]

A complete and double rainbow, maybe even a triple rainbow. What does it mean?

[byates1]

Quad boa we're almost there

[stuckathuntermtn]

CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE QUAD BOA

[byates1]

What about the new electric touring skis combined w the electric Arc'teryx pants, a double or triple boa boot, the uphill ski winch aid, and new hand explosives for personal control work? Revolutionary.

[Cocximus]

Lol, TGR is seriously agro about BOA. Guess it’s hard to accept change when your gear philosophy peaked in 1998.

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[stealurface831]

What about the new electric touring skis combined w the electric Arc'teryx pants, a double or triple boa boot, the uphill ski winch aid, and new hand explosives for personal control work? Revolutionary.

with peak keyhole technology, of course.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Heel retention cable you say?

[byates1]

^ sick. Didn't know Solomon was also going boa for '26

[twat]

I had problems with heel hold in my fishertravers touring“slippers“.
Boot fitter glued Velcro patches onto the outside of the inboot. He also made jbar shaped patches for extra but never needed them.
The Velcro patches were big from half way forward to half up the cuff.
Changed the boot a lot for me.


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[twat]

Heel retention cable you say?

If they had techtoes¿


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[turnfarmer]

I’m in Vulcans/Mercurys that are undersized so I need a length punch. Enlighten me, what boot have I missed? ZGTP with a bunch of foam that feels terrible? ZipFits are cool, but I’m holding out for a proper touring version.




Yep, routing would be an issue. Steep angles would probably bind and not work.



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Often, unresovlable heel hold down is due to lack of ankle dorsiflexion. No matter how tight the boot is the lack of dorsiflexion just levels the heel up.

[turnfarmer]

The Pierre Gignoux race boots have a lace up system that works this way. The boots don’t even have a buckle. On the clog.

[Cocximus]

The Pierre Gignoux race boots have a lace up system that works this way. The boots don’t even have a buckle. On the clog.

I heard, but those are out of my price range and no one has them locally. If I could try them and they would be the magical boot I dream of I would probably splurge.

Often, unresovlable heel hold down is due to lack of ankle dorsiflexion. No matter how tight the boot is the lack of dorsiflexion just levels the heel up.

I can set an emotionally damaging steep skin track without using risers. I’m fortunate to have a lot of flexibility throughout my foot, though I’ve always wondered if that might contribute to the issue.