25/26 gear rumors thread

[waxoff]

Within reason… lower boa definitely restricts how much a boot opens.

On the pic from FloridaSnow above, it looks like you can undo the Boa wire from the middle pulley ( the one in between the pinky toe attachment point and the Boa knob). No?

[FloridaSnow]

On the pic from FloridaSnow above, it looks like you can undo the Boa wire from the middle pulley ( the one in between the pinky toe attachment point and the Boa knob). No?

if you are talking about the lower boa then no. You cannot undo the wire unless you unscrew the holder. Assuming I’m understanding the point you’re asking about.

according to Tom the upper boa can be separated by pull tab for ease of entry.

When you release the low boa by pulling the knob put it goes completely slack. And easily spreads the lower shell apart. I do ski the new boa.

[waxoff]

if you are talking about the lower boa then no. You cannot undo the wire unless you unscrew the holder. Assuming I’m understanding the point you’re asking about.

according to Tom the upper boa can be separated by pull tab for ease of entry.

When you release the low boa by pulling the knob put it goes completely slack. And easily spreads the lower shell apart. I do ski the new boa.

You understood perfectly correct. Thanks for filling in the details!

[D(C)]

Should we just rename this the boa thread?

[tompietrowski]

My impression is this-- Finally.

My booster strap (the world cup, 3-strap, non-sewn version) flexes wonderfully. It's 20 years old. It's been on like four boots. I often set it tighter than my 4th buckle, allowing the boot to flex at those high angles. I hit the wall at mach looney. I flex into my fourth buckle.

If I'm imagining this BOA to be essentially a pulley system from ankle to booster, the entire shin/calf would flex in unison.

Therefore, if what I am envisioning is accurate, I'd say it's about fucking time. The gap between my third buckle and my booster is now closed. That fourth buckle has always been a hinderance.

Did BOA just extend my booster strap to my ankle in one unison pulley-system line?

Bravo. Because I have been micro-turning my buckles for decades.

Now if you can get Lange to release that magenta limited edition boot posted above with tech toes and a double BOA, I just might pay whore money.

I guess now the final engineering question from my end is this-- is that strap flexible like an old school Booster? Or is it static nylon like a piece of shit velcro strap with a "power buckle"?

I think this sums up boa cuff really well. At one point in development I even asked if we still needed a power strap. Ultimately we obviously kept it but I still don’t think it’s totally needed and I have found I often don’t do mine up any more.

[tompietrowski]

The devil is always in the details, and I think that the best performing solution (ie what racers actually end up doing) will probably have their anchor points in different locations vs consumer boots to optimize how the tension is being pulled and how it ramps up at different locations of the leg through the flex of the boot ... ie the pivot points being more of a trapezodial shape vs squares on the consumer versions.

This is interesting and we tried this straightaway because we were interested to see if we could feel a difference. Ultimately we found if there was any difference it was so small that there really was no advantage to moving the positions of the guides. But I still think with more development this may be something interesting and would potentially allow for some new cuff shapes. I think for freeride boots in particular with an articulating cuff we could do some interesting things.

[XXX-er]

This is a strange thread,

it sez 24/25 gear rumors, talks about some skis, some BC bindings and then it goes full on into a shitty intro/ presentation for BOA and I think ( ? ) K2 boots

No thanks to this thread I now understand more about BOA,

that BOA is or will be on many brands of boot

whereas I started with the same impression as buddy who posted that every BOA on every snowboard boot he ever used broke,


its not the end loser's fault if they can't figure out WTF is attempting to be communicated, in any case I did for you

https://www.boafit.com/en-us/ski

[GoldenBC]

I think this sums up boa cuff really well. At one point in development I even asked if we still needed a power strap. Ultimately we obviously kept it but I still don’t think it’s totally needed and I have found I often don’t do mine up any more.

I’m glad you kept it. I guarantee I need it. I use the power strap to make the cuff feel taller. No boot on the market gives me even shin pressure and adequate height without putting the power strap on the top of the tongue. Hawx is close but still need it.

I really look forward to trying this boot out. Colour me intrigued.

As for freeride boots with walk mode, I’m curious to see it get intergrated into the walk mech a la something like Hoji lock. As much as it would probably piss me off having everything connected, I could see it being slick.

[tompietrowski]

I’m glad you kept it. I guarantee I need it. I use the power strap to make the cuff feel taller. No boot on the market gives me even shin pressure and adequate height without putting the power strap on the top of the tongue. Hawx is close but still need it.

I really look forward to trying this boot out. Colour me intrigued.

As for freeride boots with walk mode, I’m curious to see it get intergrated into the walk mech a la something like Hoji lock. As much as it would probably piss me off having everything connected, I could see it being slick.

Experiment with the power plate when you get the boots.

And yes I have been thinking a lot about how we can incorporate boa in the walk mech. I actually have a few ideas for bfc with this style but less so for mindbender currently.

[Lord Thomas]

Double boa is not the only thing happening for next year....time to move on. What's next?

[stealurface831]

i want to know more about this armada cabrio. anyone? pics?

[DoubleBogey]

I've seen hints of a new atomic boot as well, a mix between the CS and Hawx...anyone got any details?

[thatdkid]

Anyone know last on this armada cabrio? Tech fittings and walk mode I assume?


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100 mm

No walk mode, toe only tech fitting.


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[stealurface831]

100 mm

No walk mode, toe only tech fitting.


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fuck

[Crystal Skier]

Wow. I can’t think of a single boot (beside plug boots) that offer cutting lines. Curious as to how it’ll be to remove the upper with boa to cut. I’ve always cut my Doberman plugs down, both 130 and 150. Not only to give them a little suppleness but to make them possible to get on and off without heating them. After years of being completely off my radar, k2 is killing it as of late. The reckoner series completely changed my mind as to how a soft flexing ski can still absolutely charge. The construction is so supple but still capable. I went from my last pair of k2s being the tnc neon skis in high school, to now having 5 pairs in the quiver. If you make a reckoner 110 with the tnc neon colors they’d sell like crazy. That said the current reckoner graphics are sick. Too bad k2 did the retro tnc graphics on the pinnacle series which were absolutely garbage.


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^^^this^^^ absolutely having a blast on my 191 Reckoner 110’s. They encourage you to go fast. I would say compliant not soft a bit stronger than soft but I hear ya. I keep reaching for them they’re just a blast. Having a hard time grabbing my other skis.
Was pondering what a slightly stiffer and maybe 50 grams per ski heavier version of the 110 might be like on the way home today.
Definitely open to try the new Cortex dubs.
Although this is killin me as I have a new pair of RS 130’s in the box I haven’t used yet and my Rossi Hi Speeds are rockin it just fine for me. Now K2 builds a boot with substance it sounds like? … knobs or not I like more weight for a resort boot. K2 is back on my radar for sure. This may have already been posted or disclosed but, Tom can you tell us what the weight of the new Cortex is please?


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[Jason4]

Also... 0 interest in ever owning a boa lower. Its hard enough getting my foot into a normal boot.

I’m also a person who likes to keep my third buckle uncomfortably tight for performance and pop it open in the lift line. It’s probably just my particular buckles but “performance tight” can take a lot of effort to close which would be easier with the current generation of alpine Boa ratchets.

I’ve been stepping into a Boa boot all of last winter and again this month and it isn’t any harder than the previous version of the boots had been with buckles, I even went down a shell size. Don’t let Boa stop you from skiing a boot that would otherwise fit you well.

[byates1]

Double boa is not the only thing happening for next year....time to move on. What's next?

Triple boa

[tompietrowski]

^^^this^^^ absolutely having a blast on my 191 Reckoner 110’s. They encourage you to go fast. I would say compliant not soft a bit stronger than soft but I hear ya. I keep reaching for them they’re just a blast. Having a hard time grabbing my other skis.
Was pondering what a slightly stiffer and maybe 50 grams per ski heavier version of the 110 might be like on the way home today.
Definitely open to try the new Cortex dubs.
Although this is killin me as I have a new pair of RS 130’s in the box I haven’t used yet and my Rossi Hi Speeds are rockin it just fine for me. Now K2 builds a boot with substance it sounds like? … knobs or not I like more weight for a resort boot. K2 is back on my radar for sure. This may have already been posted or disclosed but, Tom can you tell us what the weight of the new Cortex is please?


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The 140 model is 2300g in 26.5

[stealurface831]

Triple boa

fucking boa bindings. no lateral release tho.

[SkiLyft]

Omggggg, daddy likes!!! Similar weight to head raptors.

[2FUNKY]

I went into the Fischer RC[emoji640] Pro oneforty MV BOA this season. So far I really dig it. Once in and adjusted I rarely mess with it. My fit is pretty snug without it tightened so it doesn’t take much fiddling. Like how it wraps the lower foot without pressure points like a buckle. Hate loosening it as it pops a bunch of slack and takes time wheeling it back in. There, that’s my complaint. Lol


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[mntlion]

I went into the Fischer RC[emoji640] Pro oneforty MV BOA this season. So far I really dig it. Once in and adjusted I rarely mess with it. My fit is pretty snug without it tightened so it doesn’t take much fiddling. Like how it wraps the lower foot without pressure points like a buckle. Hate loosening it as it pops a bunch of slack and takes time wheeling it back in. There, that’s my complaint. Lol


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doesn't the boa have a positive click , AND a negative click on it? And pull out to loosen ALL the pressure?

[bossass]

Worst gear rumors thread ever.

[shank]

[TAFKALVS]

Heritage Labs will release new skis in the mid fat and fat range that will lighten our wallets further.