25/26 gear rumors thread

[XXX-er]

the new colors have cured people of buying boots just cuz they look good ... cuz none of the new boots look good

same with new car colors I ordered a white truck cuz there really isnt any way to fuck up white

[SkiLyft]

People understand the performance benefits a liner like a zipfit offer and are willing to put up with its shortcomings. Boa cuff is similar in that it is slower to use and frankly not as easy as buckles. But in the same way sulfites offer a performance advantage boa cuff does too.

This is some wildly contorted thinking; you’re far too biased due to monetary incentives aligned with boa’s success to think objectively.

If someone wants a couple malignancies on their boots, let them have it.

Ultimately, I think we know that the boot industry is picking a path forward given the fact that BOA and buckles cannot be used interchangeably with the same molds.

I think many of us here are legitimately saying why are you forcing our hand on this matter. Just because I want a high performing boot with a high flex rating does not mean I also want #doublefuckingboas.

I’m also still really struggling with the fact that if the performance was FARRRR SUPERIOR why is this technology not used at the pinnacle of ski racing. Racers everywhere would do anything to shave a 1/10 of a second off their times.

Leveraging this on MV and HV boots makes a ton of sense as people are in those typically for comfort and will over tighten the buckles and deform the shells over time. LV boots are fucking snug by design, hell when a boot is properly fit for performance many of the skiers here could easily drive a big ski with our buckles completely undone.

Maybe I’m wrong and next year every ski racer will be in their plugs with #doublefuckingboas but I find that hard to believe.

[2FUNKY]

Lol. I’ve tried Lv boots, my foot not Lv. I need a mv and not due to comfort but for fitment. I absolutely do not over tighten anything, just enough to close the cuff securely, hell I ski’d last weekend with one cuff undone for a couple laps. I did wonder why I didn’t quite have the drive out of that foot, buckles were open. Lol.


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[tompietrowski]

This is some wildly contorted thinking; you’re far too biased due to monetary incentives aligned with boa’s success to think objectively.

If someone wants a couple malignancies on their boots, let them have it.

Ultimately, I think we know that the boot industry is picking a path forward given the fact that BOA and buckles cannot be used interchangeably with the same molds.

I think many of us here are legitimately saying why are you forcing our hand on this matter. Just because I want a high performing boot with a high flex rating does not mean I also want #doublefuckingboas.

I’m also still really struggling with the fact that if the performance was FARRRR SUPERIOR why is this technology not used at the pinnacle of ski racing. Racers everywhere would do anything to shave a 1/10 of a second off their times.

Leveraging this on MV and HV boots makes a ton of sense as people are in those typically for comfort and will over tighten the buckles and deform the shells over time. LV boots are fucking snug by design, hell when a boot is properly fit for performance many of the skiers here could easily drive a big ski with our buckles completely undone.

Maybe I’m wrong and next year every ski racer will be in their plugs with #doublefuckingboas but I find that hard to believe.

Hey just giving you my insight. We were tasked with building a freeride boot for our athletes on the fwt and we found boa was the best closure system for the job. Ultimately we were building the boot the athletes needed so we would have used whatever they needed to perform. Sorry that it was boa I guess?

And you can actually have buckle and boa boots from the same tooling. It’s not optimal but can be done.

And yes I agree with you lower boa does offer better fit and comfort so yes we will use that on all volumes of boot but upper cuff does not make sense on lower performance boots that was the point I was making.

Do you really think brands are not developing boa race boots?

[grinch]

2 buckles, one instep and one cuff/powerstrap, ez in and out, 130flex, extra room for toes, tech inserts and done.
No way boa is going to last as long as a buckle and the clog boa with cables tightens the toes. We're not on the clock or running gates.


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[Huskier]

Hey just giving you my insight. We were tasked with building a freeride boot for our athletes on the fwt and we found boa was the best closure system for the job. Ultimately we were building the boot the athletes needed so we would have used whatever they needed to perform. Sorry that it was boa I guess?

But what feedback was given by athletes such that upper boas became a necessity? You're describing a tail wagging the dog situation. Like a group that has been using buckles since their discipline was invented all of a sudden came to you saying "Hey I really need this thing I've never tried to perform at the highest level"?? Nah...

Now, if you said to me "We paid a pretty penny for a boa license so the boss said slap it everywhere you can"...yeah. I mean, capitalism.

Make it make sense.

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[tompietrowski]

But what feedback was given by athletes such that upper boas became a necessity? You're describing a tail wagging the dog situation. Like a group that has been using buckles since their discipline was invented all of a sudden came to you saying "Hey I really need this thing I've never tried to perform at the highest level"?? Nah...

Now, if you said to me "We paid a pretty penny for a boa license so the boss said slap it everywhere you can"...yeah. I mean, capitalism.

Make it make sense.

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We built prototypes using both systems and got feedback on what they preferred. We were building the boot they needed and wanted so we gave them options and went with what worked best.

[TAFKALVS]

I for one welcome our benevolent boa overlords.

[SkiLyft]

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[NW_SKIER]

Four buckle boots will always be sexier. Keep your double dildo lookin boots away from me.

[onenerdykid]

Is the remedy a «5mm shell» or «3mm shell», as in can I grind it a bunch

I think it's fair to say that you can grind this boot to your heart's content.

[TAFKALVS]

Four buckle boots will always be sexier. Keep your double dildo lookin boots away from me.

Would you say that Double Boa Boots pair well with a freshly sharpened pair of Soul 7?

[Conundrum]

Having never designed a boot nor worked for a boot company, I appreciate Tom and Nerdy’s insight. Thanks dudes. When I wear out my current boots, I will definitely at least try a boa boot and if it fits and skis to my liking, buy one. Hell, maybe even the whole pair.

[westoxified]

I think it's fair to say that you can grind this boot to your heart's content.

drool
#wearebutter

[Lord Thomas]

Kinda interesting that everyone is definitively shitting on Boa, saying that it will never do the job like a buckle, will break daily, ................ without ever having tried it. If you don't like it don't buy it. I'm curious to see where this goes and how it works. I've been duly impressed by the Boa products I've tried, whether it was simply trying them on or using them for more than a decade.

[2FUNKY]

Not sure ill get on board with the double boa but I really like my lower boa fischer rcfour pro’s.


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[The Iron Horse]

I think it's fair to say that you can grind this boot to your heart's content.

Any chance we can get a weight of just the shell, without the liner?

[muted reborn]

Hey just giving you my insight. We were tasked with building a freeride boot for our athletes on the fwt and we found boa was the best closure system for the job. Ultimately we were building the boot the athletes needed so we would have used whatever they needed to perform. Sorry that it was boa I guess?

And you can actually have buckle and boa boots from the same tooling. It’s not optimal but can be done.

And yes I agree with you lower boa does offer better fit and comfort so yes we will use that on all volumes of boot but upper cuff does not make sense on lower performance boots that was the point I was making.

Do you really think brands are not developing boa race boots?

Max Hitzig gave feedback on the K2 Boas? But what has he done besides won the FWT tour last year?

I could not ski anything but mellow groomers unbuckled in my intuition/Krypton combo so I'm a bit hesitant of a double boa (lower single BOA seems like an easy thing to grasp tho)- that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the inside baseball talk you all do here and lots of us respect your opinions we would never hear otherwise. Thanks to you both for the explanations.

[Mustonen]

Yeah, kudos to Tom for sticking it out. You guys are generally being dicks about it, which is par for the course for TGR and I generally wouldn’t have it any other way.

The bar for innovation isn’t “did anybody ask you for that?” Have an idea, test an idea, go from there. Sounds like this is happening the way it’s supposed to and the market will weigh in on it soon enough.

[Mustonen]

the new colors have cured people of buying boots just cuz they look good ... cuz none of the new boots look good

same with new car colors I ordered a white truck cuz there really isnt any way to fuck up white

Their designers probably have no idea what good looks like because they never think about such things, don’t monitor trends, and never do market research. I can’t believe they haven’t hired you yet.

Also, though, does that Remedy come in anything besides butter?

[gregL]

Their designers probably have no idea what good looks like because they never think about such things, don’t monitor trends, and never do market research. I can’t believe they haven’t hired you yet.

Also, though, does that Remedy come in anything besides butter?

At Atomic they spent years agonizing over just these things before a major boot design change, and I suspect the other manufacturers do as well. The shape of every component, the colors for each flex, logo placement and style, the sales figures not only of their current boots but everyone else's, etc. Everything is drawn up in CAD and many opinions are solicited, including some bootfitters. No one asked me about the Remedy, though.

[twat]

Next boot should be called the burrito. Because it wraps around your foot.


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[Mustonen]

At Atomic they spent years agonizing over just these things before a major boot design change, and I suspect the other manufacturers do as well. The shape of every component, the colors for each flex, logo placement and style, the sales figures not only of their current boots but everyone else's, etc. Everything is drawn up in CAD and many opinions are solicited, including some bootfitters. No one asked me about the Remedy, though.

Didn’t think I needed the /sarcasm tag there.

[tragicsolitude]

Maybe I’m wrong and next year every ski racer will be in their plugs with #doublefuckingboas but I find that hard to believe.

Double boa has been used since at least last season in racing.

[onenerdykid]

Double boa has been used since at least last season in racing.

No it hasn't. Racers have trained with it, tested it, but it hasn't been used in a World Cup race yet.