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Thread: Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

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    Non voters are a varied group of which I have essentially zero knowledge of, but guessing I'd say, homeless, mental illness, poverty, and the Republicans voter suppression tactics all play into it. I'm sure many or possibly the majority just don't care or understand how it affects their lives specifically. Idk, but it's an unfortunate reality.

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    And the rather large group around my daughter's age that chose not to vote. There were a few million of them, enough to have turned it the other way...

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    @darren Jakal. The way I see it; non-Americans cant control what the Americans do. And really, it's their democratic right to pick their own government. Since Trump still has support either via tacit or indifference, this is what the Americans want of themselves.All the reddit or social media or TGR posting from Americans re don't blame us, we voted against it etc etc. That's all very nice and comforting but ultimately not useful other than as feel-good fodder. Candidly - it's their country and theirs to change. This outsider sees broken institutions, broken checks and balances and fundamental disunity ergo inability to agree on any fundamental truths necessary to have a starting point for reform or consensus.All we as non-Americans can do is mitigate the damage the US does to us. And that will possibly mean viewing future interactions with the US and US entities as transactional ie undependable and terminable without notice. Diversifying from interactions with the US, removing inter country trade barriers and transacting with other countries or regions. Viewing US policies as neutral at best - hostile as worse. Assuming that US policies are subject to change without notice on a year to year basis

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    easy to talk

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    Agree we have no control.
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    There’s also still a fundamental expectation (maybe unwarranted hope) that while they can break things quickly eventually the process will save the institution. We’re only a month and a half in.

    I think the Rs will not push back until it’s something blatantly rejected by the Supreme Court. You’re already seeing that happen, though not to any meaningful extent.

    The court process takes time and needs to be handled carefully so as not to make things worse if a case backfires.

    You’re also seeing stuff like the WSJ editorials and business leaders shitting on the trade policy as stupid and detrimental, and he can’t hide from the market impact for long.

    It takes time, but what we can’t do as Americans is panic and start lighting shit on fire.

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    Are you sure? I thought that was our forte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m[emoji638
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    Sorry…we can’t do that YET, but when it’s time we need to burn it all down and raze the earth beneath it.

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    <p>
    Quote Originally Posted by Darren Jakal View Post
    Both Trump voters and non-voters share responsibility for Trumps taking power. I blame non-voters, but since I view MAGA as victims, I can only PITY them. I consider pity to be far worse then blame. Glad to have you on the team!
    Millions dont vote because they live in red states. Idaho is so red my votes are utterly useless beyond the county level. In other red states theres almost no point to even voting for congress anymore because the outcome is predetermined by the state legislature. Did you not get the memo up there? The fascists won years ago when they stole Obamas SCOTUS appointment. SCOTUS wholeheartedly supports GOP gerrymandering.&nbsp;</p>

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    With the weakening of the US intelligence agencies, maybe some of our allies with start influencing our elections more, like we’ve done throughout the world.

    With town halls not being attended by the actual congressional reps, I hope their opponents set up shop in and/or outside the events.

    My young r rep, Kiley, voted in support of advancing the r budget proposal a few weeks ago. On the next day, he spoke on the house floor stating his goal (and the importance) to preserve funding for Medicaid (except for undoc’ed immigrants). It still a shitty policy, but differs from his previous stance and vote the previous day - this is remarkable. This was because constituents called his offices the day of that vote. He changed his tune. The calls came too late for the message to him to change his stance on the day of the vote, but calls actually influenced him…. It’s unclear if he was giving a little bit of lip service for that day or if he’ll continue to change his stances….

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    I guess I was thinking about swing states.

    But, you are right and I have no idea how things really work in the US.

    I’m going to shut up now. This is not helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren Jakal View Post
    I’m going to shut up now. This is not helpful.
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    Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

    Sorry, I don’t buy the ‘this colour state so I don’t vote’ argument. This is democracy, even if it is far from perfect. I will cast my vote regardless of how the local incumbent is playing. Every vote counts, if only as a statistic. Even if it means (in Canada) that an empty/unmarked ballot is cast, it is counted and can influence policy. Apathy or resignation is no excuse to not participating in the most important social activity in our society besides volunteering. Use it or lose it.

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    Rah Rah. Now back to the reality of non voters. Many people of all ages just don't give a shit. I see that as an opportunity.
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    Is there a particular platform that Canadians are moving to in order to replace Facebook, Instagram or Whatsapp? Something from the EU, maybe? I'd like to support your efforts to curb your most harmful US imports. TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Is there a particular platform that Canadians are moving to in order to replace Facebook, Instagram or Whatsapp? Something from the EU, maybe? I'd like to support your efforts to curb your most harmful US imports. TIA
    Bluesky. Signal. But all US.

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    I go up to Canada pretty often, and I've been up skiing for the past few days. This is the first time I've ever thought about throwing some mud on my license plate to hide the U.S. tags. It's embarrassing how this is going, and it's a weird situation to be agreeing with the people that are flipping me off.

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    Are you really getting flipped off? Sorry Bro if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaleia View Post
    Are you really getting flipped off? Sorry Bro if true.
    Yeah. But they're not entirely wrong. The U.S. is kinda fucked right now.

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    In my circles we are pissed at the administration and maga supporters but singling out every day citizens crosses the line imo.

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    Thank you for visiting our nation.

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    don't worry they are probably flipping him off of for not stopping for kids crossing the street and other typical american driver things.

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    The U.S. is the real source of the fentanyl crisis, not Canada
    Of all the pretexts Donald Trump has used for his unprovoked economic assault on this country, the most ridiculous is his claim that the United States is being flooded with fentanyl from Canada.

    The RCMP sees no evidence of it. Nor do other experts in drug trafficking. Alberta says that if there is a flood, it is flowing in the opposite direction. Only a couple of weeks ago, border agents there found 186 kilograms of methamphetamine and 42 kilos of cocaine in two Canada-bound trucks.

    The White House claims that 43 pounds of fentanyl was seized at the northern border of the United States in the past fiscal year. That is a drop in the bucket beside the 21,000 pounds seized at its border with Mexico, home to so many powerful drug cartels.

    And even that 43-pound figure is grossly misleading. A Globe and Mail investigation found that while the drugs may have been seized in the border region, they did not necessarily come from Canada. Police in the Spokane sector of Washington state told The Globe that, in fact, most of the drugs that flow through the Pacific Northwest come from Mexico.

    Investigation: White House using misleading fentanyl data to justify tariffs

    Yet almost daily, Mr. Trump or his yes men rant about the awful toll Canadian fentanyl is inflicting on Americans. &ldquo;Canada is killing our people,&rdquo; Vice-President JD Vance reportedly told Prime Minister Justin Trudeau this week.

    If he wants to play that game, we could just as easily say the United States is killing ours. More than 50,000 Canadians have succumbed to opioids since 2016. About one person dies of an overdose every hour.

    The opioid crisis began in America. Huge pharmaceutical companies started marketing new painkillers that they claimed were non-addictive. Pill mills churned out rivers of the meds, which soon found their way into hard-up parts of the U.S., such as Appalachia.

    Similar practices spread to Canada: aggressive marketing of pain pills, lax prescribing by doctors. Many of those who took the pills, often for work injuries or chronic pain, ended up addicted. When their doctors cut them off, some went to the street for their drugs.

    Nearly one-third of seized fentanyl attributed to the U.S.-Canada border had no connection with Canada

    Then along came something even more powerful, even more addictive: fentanyl, a synthetic opioid. Invented as a surgical anesthetic, it first appeared as a street drug in California. It, too, spread north of the border.

    So the idea that America is the victim of a crisis imposed on it by its neighbours is upside down.

    The United States is the source of the problem. As Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum points out, the drug trade exists mainly to serve American users. That trade has devastated her country. The struggle between the government and the cartels, and among the cartels themselves, has claimed many thousands of Mexican lives.

    It has hurt Canada, too. This country has seen its streets flooded with cheap drugs, worsening its crisis of mental illness, homelessness and public disorder. If anyone should be angry, it is us. And not just about fentanyl.

    Most of the guns used by Canadian gangs come from the United States. If Mr. Trump is annoyed about the small stream of fentanyl crossing the border from Canada, he should be able to understand how we feel about the deluge of firearms we face from a country that has more guns than people yet stubbornly refuses to bring in any meaningful gun control &ndash; even when its children are mowed down in their schools.

    In the end, pointing fingers doesn&rsquo;t help anyone. To say that drugs move mainly this way or that way is beside the point. They flow every which way &ndash; north to south, south to north, east to west, west to east. The drug market on this continent is as integrated as the automobile industry. This is a shared problem, best addressed not through confrontation but co-operation in policing and public health. When it comes to the drug crisis, we are all in the same boat, whether Mr. Trump likes it or not.

    But if the Americans insist on finding someone to blame, they need only look in the nearest mirror.
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    I think when "he" looks in the mirror he sees a lush, bejeweled purple robe and a garish crown framing a fake orange face.

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    kinda fucked is putting it lightly, we all need to be punched in the face

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