Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

[dan_pdx]

Wow. Stephen Marche. "The Next Civil War". Brutally fatalistic. Will give it a read. Thanks. One excerpt talks about the American liberals as being complicit "American liberals in the major cities retain a kind of desperate faith in the country’s institutions that amounts nearly to delusion"

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That sounds about right and that faith is obviously misplaced, but if you can't put your faith in the institutions, what next? God and guns?

[frorider]

A bizarre side note to me was that Trump announced the steel tariff, and it was only after a journalist asked about aluminum that he said Oh yeah, aluminum too.

[Trackhead]

Trump ran tariffs on Canadian steel/aluminum in 2018. Bush did same with Europe in 2002.

[DougW]

I like the narrative from Rubio that we are neighbours and will always be neighbours as you have no choice as you can't move. Canada is just an unfair neighbour ( mostly based on lies) . When the administration keeps on saying these things and the American people believe them how can relations ever improve as those lies( ok other than defense spending) get stuck in people heads like the 200 billion which has no basis. Even the shortfall in defense spending is 40 bil CAD so no numbers line up.I wonder if the US is actually planning to invade by waiting for a move by Canada that can be used as a security pretense. Like if nationalist reaction of Canadian people to econ force , lets say leaving NATO as cannot spend increased $ on defense as econ so damaged. Also how can be in alliance with nation that would use econ force on Canada. Anyway then invade as if Canada becomes nonaligned then American security is not as good so pretense to invade. " If you don't defend the artic then we will do it for you". Even Rubio when asked about 51st stated Canada should not think that Trump is bluffing. So we should treat Trumps words as actual words and ideas. What deal would Canada have to give to make this go away? Fair is not an option as almost all of the US positions are based on lies. The sky is the limit. Trump has even talked about our oil at even a lower price. Pay a tribute like vasal states of old?

[Trackhead]

If Trudeau thought an invasion was even remotely possible, would he not be mobilizing or making the military ready in some way? If he did that, the US would be immediately aware of said movement. They are already flying spy planes all over the southern border. Not to mention intel/satellite data, etc.

If we took over Canada to be the "51st state" we couldn't let the new state vote, as it would forever sway in favor of Democrats. How would that benefit Trump outside of his enormous ego in the setting of his tiny hands.

[Cono Este]

Didnt crooked Joe just increase tariffs on candien lumber not even 6 mos ago?

You guys are great!

[LHutz Esq]

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But Americans are the bad guys? You Canucks play hardball.

No they are not. They just have to follow our laws and regulations- you know like any other country.

TD follows US laws when working there- it’s just that there aren’t that many.

Don’t remember a banking failure in Canada.

[DougW]

Softwood lumber has never been resolved. US /Can have gone to international arbitration many times and Canada always wins but the US keep on putting on tariffs on softwood. Yes Canada protects it dairy farmers by supply management. US protects its farmers with other payments, different countries different policies. There was trade agreement for everything other than softwood and the US broke it and wants to engage in economic force. What the endgame of the US is unknown. When would a deal be good enough? Do we have to ship our good looking women and take your fat ugly ones? When the unfairness is based on lies its hard to know what deal would work because most of the issues are fiction and AMericans believe that fiction.

[BCMtnHound]

Quickest way to end the softwood lumber dispute is to allow the US access to our log market. Of course that would kill any Canadian manufacturing plant within a couple hundred kms of the border.
The best solution is to manufacture something greater than structural lumber. Mass timber, prefab panels, gluelam, etc, are all ways to avoid the tariffs.
Of course the major spaghetti mill companies have taken their profits and reinvested in timberlands and mills in the SE states, so they are a bit insulated from the tariffs.

[XXX-er]

It was awhile back but a big guy at the Canfor mill told me a high Canadian dollar is worse than tarrifs and that was the year the canuck buck went to 1.30 I seem to rember all that Kemano power went to california and there was trouble getting the money

[Ted Striker]

On another note friends in Blaine and Bellingham crossing the border say that Peace Arch and Truck Crossing were deserted and that it was easy driving both N and S. Also that there was almost no Canadian plates in local area malls and shops.

I keep hearing this, but I'm not seeing it IRL. I crossed at the peace arch yesterday, and there were hour-plus lines (non-nexus) both directions. Still seeing lots of BC plates at B'ham Costco gas as well.

I've heard Trader Joe's is pretty quiet, but that could just as easily be explained by the brutal exchange rate.

In a similar vein, the internet is full of claims that trumpers are feeling buyer's remorse, but they sure don't seem to be around here. (granted, they are a minority that's aware of the schadenfreude angle)

[Ted Striker]

that was the year the canuck buck went to 1.30

The Canadian dollar has never hit 1.30 since it was allowed to float during Pierre Trudeau's tenure.

The highest it's been since then was somewhere around $1.10 US

[LeeLau]

I keep hearing this, but I'm not seeing it IRL. I crossed at the peace arch yesterday, and there were hour-plus lines (non-nexus) both directions. Still seeing lots of BC plates at B'ham Costco gas as well.

I've heard Trader Joe's is pretty quiet, but that could just as easily be explained by the brutal exchange rate.

In a similar vein, the internet is full of claims that trumpers are feeling buyer's remorse, but they sure don't seem to be around here. (granted, they are a minority that's aware of the schadenfreude angle)

Aye. It's social media blather from Canucks and Americans of either end of the political spectrum looking selectively for facts.

It'll come down to a test of fairly pathetic will. Complacent Canadians vs complacent Americans. And when the inevitable tariffs get levied against other countries them their voters also feel the pain and will choose their own course.

It'll hurt everyone's economy at the expense of self determination and self reliance

[XXX-er]

I think it was about 15-18 yrs ago very briefly ut apparentynot 1.30 https://www.cclgroup.com/docs/defaul...rsn=a30e31c8_4

[neckdeep]

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Trump is doing Canada a generous favor because it is not a viable state, in his mind. Too him, Canada is a bankrupt land of losers only propped up by piracy against its munificent neighbor. Furthermore, Canada is only kept free of invasions because America is actively fending off the hostile nations circling Canadian borders at this very moment. So, that all makes sense. Canada owes America everything for its economy and sovereignty so it practically is already a US territory awaiting formal statehood. Of course, there will be no right of return for Canadians currently occupying coastal real estate. Plans are being made to resettle those new citizens to the 52nd state, New Trumpland, formerly known as Greenland.</p>

[Trackhead]

I wonder how many retired Canadians will sell off or discontinue their condo/RV site/snowbird properties in the states of Florida/Arizona/Etc

[californiagrown]

Trump foreign relations is like the person at a restaurant who sends back food and drinks, complains to the waitstaff to get a dish comped, leaves a 5% tip then brags about how they were able to get a great deal.

Normal foreign relations is like the person who slyly mentions to the waiter that they went to school with the Chef, who then pokes his head out to say "whats up", sends out a couple free apps, comps the booze and then the person tips the waitstaff 20% on the full menu price of everything and then mentions what a great experience the restaurant was.


Half of america likes the first person more. SMH.

[mcski]

Perfect ^

[bennymac]

I wonder how many retired Canadians will sell off or discontinue their condo/RV site/snowbird properties in the states of Florida/Arizona/Etc

You get that it’s not, like most things in this world, an all or nothing response being needed.

Someone can change their habits to have an effect without it being 100% perfect and 100% matching to binary thinking morons purity testing.

[garyfromterrace]

Californiagrown has summed up the sitch perfectly. Track head, I think there will be significant snowbirds rethinking their choices given the current political climate and exchange rate. Look out Victoria real estate market... Edit as I think this through... Actually those Florida snowbirds are fucked. They will get pretty much nothing from the proceeds of sale on their FLA condo, and the Victoria real estate market is out of their price range regardless. Never mind....

[LHutz Esq]

I wonder how many retired Canadians will sell off or discontinue their condo/RV site/snowbird properties in the states of Florida/Arizona/Etc

In laws just did. Not necessarily on account of tariffs but having more to do with general weirdness going on down there.

They also just felt it was a good time to get out while the getting was good.


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[garyfromterrace]

And Hutz did they break even on the RE transaction?

[dan_pdx]

I could imagine lots of Canadians switching to spending the winter in Mexico. I was in Baja in March a few years ago and there seemed to be a lot of Canadians with condos there, I would expect recent events are going to fuel that trend

[Ted Striker]

@Lee, yeah that's it alright. Despite the example of Brexit producing far more losers than winners, America (and possibly Canada under P.P.) somehow thinks they're immune to face eating leopards.

[The AD]

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Hard for me to imagine that most of the Canadians who now spend their winters in Florida will find Victoria to be a suitable substitute. Many places in Mexico certainly would be. For the more adventurous maybe something like the Balearic or Canary Islands.</p>